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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Sat May 24, 2014 3:25 pm

sketch wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:"NE-123" says "Northwest 123"

I hope this is a typo!


I'm sure enough it was a typo that I changed the post.

I had 15 min to get on the forum and read some posts and try to test, and the TTS server is down. So more later.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby sketch » Fri May 23, 2014 6:13 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:"Int'l." says "International"
"Intl" says "International"
"Intl." says "International" (not requested)

How about "Int'l" (apostrophe, no period)? That's the one I see used in real life. There's no reason to require a period there, and indeed a period is not really correct with this style of abbreviation.

"NE-123" says "Northwest 123"

I hope this is a typo!

"Neb" says "Nebraska" (old abbreviation)
"Penn" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn<space>" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn x" says "Penn x"

"Penn" should say "penn", but do we want "Penn." to say "Pennsylvania"? Similarly, "Neb" should say "neb", but "Neb." perhaps should say "Nebraska".

I was thinking of this — every time I see a state name on an exit sign, it's abbreviated the old-fashioned way, as in "Ala." for Alabama. I think this might be a better way of implementing abbreviations for state names. Two-letter codes can be used for other things besides states, but the old-style abbreviations would allow us to differentiate between abbreviations and other words using periods (since periods are improper in USPS abbreviations). We'd have to make/pick a list and stick with it, but there are a few accepted lists out there. I personally think this is the best way to go for standalone state names (i.e., it's fine to make "MD-3" say "Maryland three", but leave "MD" as "emm dee", and use "Md." instead for "Maryland" on its own).

"St" says "Street"
"St." says "Saint"
"Ste" says "Sainte" (as used in Canada and possibly elsewhere for Saint".
"Ste." says "Saint"

Today I heard "... Carondelet Street / Saint Charles Avenue" for "... Carondelet St / St Charles Ave". So, still positional. But I haven't cleared my TTS cache in a couple weeks.

edit But I did install a new beta version yesterday. I believe this clears the TTS cache — I'm reading through a log file I pulled off my phone last night, and it seems that nothing was in the cache for my drive last night, even turns I take every day.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Fri May 23, 2014 8:09 am

sketch wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:"Nat" says "National"

This should be removed. It's not a good abbreviation and there are "Nat" streets in the US.

"Nat'l" should say "National". But yes, "Nat" should not. We really should be more careful with these.


I was not clear in the list. "Nat" was NOT our submitted request. It is an old abbreviation that always said "National". And yes it should be removed.

It was added to the list to show all the abbreviations we current have for an item.

Please recheck the list above, as I have revised it and added a few more and have added some notes.

We may need to reconsider some other additional old abbreviations.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby sketch » Fri May 23, 2014 7:04 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
GizmoGuy411 wrote:"Nat" says "National"

This should be removed. It's not a good abbreviation and there are "Nat" streets in the US.

"Nat'l" should say "National". But yes, "Nat" should not. We really should be more careful with these.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu May 22, 2014 7:47 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:"Nat" says "National"

This should be removed. It's not a good abbreviation and there are "Nat" streets in the US.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu May 22, 2014 7:45 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:Tests for "FM-xxx" and "RM-xxx" are now failing to say Farm to Market and Ranch to Market, and instead only pronounce the letters. This will be reported after additional tests.

That's what it should do. The naming standard for FM has a <space> not a hyphen. There has been quite a ruckus about this.
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu May 22, 2014 7:43 pm

GizmoGuy411 wrote:Latest tests:

I am moving this out of the US Regional Coordinators Resources thread and into the TTS thread where it belongs.

GG: Woops.... how did I do that?
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby CBenson » Wed May 21, 2014 10:40 am

Is this a typo?

GizmoGuy411 wrote:"NE-123" says "Northwest 123"


What's the current status of "SR-123?"
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Re: US Regional Coordinators Resources

Postby GizmoGuy411 » Wed May 21, 2014 9:10 am

Latest tests:

(REVISED 2014-06-10)
Small round-up of some other test results tonight:

"BUS" says "Business"
"BUSN" says "Business"
"Dr" says "Drive"
"Dr." says "Doctor"
"FM" says "eff emm" and no longer say "Federated States of Micronesia"
"FM 123" says "Farm to Market 123"
"FM-123" says "eff emm 123"
"Int'l" says "International"
"Int'l." says "International" (old abbreviation)
"Intl" says "International"
"Intl." says "International" (not requested)
"Jr." says "Junior" (old abbreviation. Resubmitted for insurance)
"Mt" says "Mount"
"Nat" says "National" (old abbreviation to be removed)
"Nat." says "National" (old abbreviation)
"Nat'l" says "National" (old abbreviation but resubmitted to correct pronunciation)
"Natl" says "National" (old abbreviation)
"Natl." says "National" (old abbreviation)
"N" says "North" (also tested with "I-35E N")
"NE" says "Northeast" instead of "Nebraska"
"NE-123" says "Northeast 123"
"Neb" says "Nebraska" (old abbreviation)
"Penn" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn<space>" says "Pennsylvania" (to be discussed)
"Penn x" says "Penn x"
"QEW" says "Queen Elizabeth Way"
"Q.E.W." says "cue eee double-u"
"RM" says the letters "R" and "M"
"RM 123" says "Ranch to Market 123"
"RM-123" says "eff emm 123"
"RM 123" says "Ranch to Market 123"
"SH" says "ess aitch"
"SH 123" says "ess aitch 123"
"SH-123" says "State Highway 123"
"St" says "Street"
"St." says "Saint"
"Ste" says "Sainte" (as used in Canada and possibly elsewhere for Saint".
"Ste." says "Saint"
"Thwy" says "Through-way"
"TR-123" says "Township Road 123"
"Twp" says "Township"
"X-ing" says "Crossing"
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Re: TTS and shield for FS-

Postby davielde » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:15 pm

sketch wrote:Haha, well, of course business routes and spurs are often going to have the same number.

It's not fair to explain the rules after the game is already underway... :o

@All re: forest service roads. Just call it "Forest Service" and be done with it. Vectorspace put the time in for the research, has spoken with FS personnel, and obviously has the experience to back up his initial recommendation of just using "Forest Service". Even though FS personnel use FSR and vectorspace doesn't care either way, a quick search yields five road maintenance levels. They are all called "Forest Service Roads" in the sense that the Forest Service maintains them, and they are probably so busy maintaining them that they likely don't have time to waste behind a desk arguing about what they are called... Level 5 is what we would typically think of as a road while Level 1 is the scary, vegetation-covered, overgrown trail no one wants to walk down let alone drive down (if they could...) at night. In addition to redundancy and the other arguments for using "Forest Service" instead of "Forest Service Road" with TTS, hearing "road" is a disservice to the standard driver because we already have a preconceived idea of what a "road" should be. And these "roads" run the gamut from highways to non-existent.

Sketch referenced "emm" for Michigan state highways, so maybe my ear is just trained differently, but when I hear something like "M-36", I know that it is a road maintained by the state even if it is not announced as a state highway. In this case, it is just an entity maintained by the forest service. Once someone hears "Forest Service" more than once, they'll get used to the instruction even if it initially sounds foreign to their ear. And chances are they won't have cell reception for many of these roads, so they won't hear it anyway...
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