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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:56 am

R4CLucky14 wrote:Here is a spreadsheet we can work off of (anyone with this link should be able to edit ):

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?ci ... vuxcisLStQ


Can we include the US-## in this list too? Different states refer to them differently as well...
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:39 pm

R4CLucky14 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
R4CLucky14 wrote:Here is a spreadsheet we can work off of (anyone with this link should be able to edit ):

https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?ci ... vuxcisLStQ


Can we include the US-## in this list too? Different states refer to them differently as well...


Regretfully, if Waze parses "US-##" in a certain way, it would parse that way for all NA clients.

"TN-xx" would parse the same for all NA clients, as would "MD-xx" and "PA-xx", etc.

The only way to change how "US-xx" is stated is for Waze to use the state field, and then approach a similar method. If Waze wishes to go this method, then all state routes could be "SR-xx" for all states, be sure the State field is correct, and ask Waze to parse it accordingly. However, I'm unsure if Waze would be able to incorporate that.


Isn't Waze already parsing the state field for several other things already?

Maybe a better solution would be to use US-##, UH-## and UR-## (You-Ess ##, You-Ess Highway ##, and You-Ess Route ##) so we can handle the local variants... but this is counter to the national standardization you are looking for with State Routes
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State Specific Routes

Postby bigbear3764 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:04 pm

I'm with you guys on US routes. My problem is Wisconsin, they have state highways and county routes with letters like County NN, County A, etc. my dilemma is do I space out 2 letter routes so it pronounces it right, but waze will take that second N as North.

As long as all the decided abbreviations are put in the Wiki list. I always have that up so I can quick reference something with out digging through the forum.


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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby CBenson » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:20 pm

My preference for Maryland is:
(WME Name) "MD-2" -> (Display) "MD-2" / (TTS) "Maryland Two" (well actually my preference for the display is a state shield, but that is likely another issue especially for turn instructions).

The difference between Maryland and states like Pennsylvania and Louisianna is that my understanding is that they are fine with (TTS) "Pee Aih" and "Ell Aih" thus they can go forward without any adjustment from waze. I don't think there is consensus that (TTS) of "Em Dee" is acceptable for Maryland. If we can't get "Maryland Two," then I would rather have "Route 2" than "Highway 2."
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby CBenson » Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:37 pm

Hey, there's no DC.
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby CBenson » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:17 pm

I really think US highways should be displayed and spoken consistently across the country.
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State Specific Routes

Postby FrisbeeDog » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:57 am

In North Carolina, we generally refer to everything as highways instead of routes. So it is US Highway 1 or US-1, for short, for federal highways.

State highways are NC Highway 55 or NC-55. We don't say North Carolina but pronounce the letters "N" "C". No one ever says "State Highway ##", but we continue to use the "State Hwy ##" convention for shielding purposes.

So I totally support the move to road names such as US-## and NC-##.

As an aside, the only time we say "state" in the roads are for secondary roads that don't have a formal name and are numbered above 1000. Then we would say "State Road ####" and would shorten to "State Rd ####" for the client maps.
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:29 pm

I think we're wasting a lot of time and effort trying to organize all these local variations. You won't find anything like that in any atlas or map. We should agree to one standard and use it. My vote is XX-## with XX being the USPS state abbreviation. Then just pronounce the name of the state and be done with it. People visiting from other places will be able to understand it, and locals will be able to understand it. If they can't understand it, they shouldn't be behind the wheel.

All this "display this and pronounce that" is going to make Waze overly complicated, make more work for the map editors, make things difficult for foreign visitors, and waste the developers time while there are much more important features they could be working on.

On the other hand, US Highways are federal highways, just like Interstates. There has to be a national standard for each. It doesn't really matter what locals call them because they're used for interstate travel. You have to have one standard so people traveling from state to state can follow.

I've heard people from rural Mississippi call I-55 "Highway 55". Doesn't mean any map maker is ever going to print it like that on a map just through a small town in Mississippi to accommodate the locals.

Once again, we discussed "US-##" at the Wazemeet. Waze currently displays that as "US-##" and pronounces it "US-##". What could be simpler than that?
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:29 pm

CBenson wrote:I really think US highways should be displayed and spoken consistently across the country.


+1
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Re: State Specific Routes

Postby jasonh300 » Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:59 pm

bigbear3764 wrote:My problem is Wisconsin, they have state highways and county routes with letters like County NN, County A, etc. my dilemma is do I space out 2 letter routes so it pronounces it right, but waze will take that second N as North.


Make sure and check out GizmoGuy's thread about his abbreviation test rig. He's been testing ways of making those lettered highways work. I don't know if they came through in this round of updates or not though.
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