Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:29 am

One thing I forgot to mention on the Oakland-SF Bay Bridge itself. Based on my cursory count of all the segments that can only lead to the toll plaza on the bridge, there are at least 17 different segments and I probably missed some. It is a complex interchange known as the MacArthur Maze.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=3&lon ... 6,57503809

My point earlier was if we needed to change some of the toll segments, we can simply select the three segments that pass through the toll plaza (which I have highlighted here). Otherwise you have to painstakingly search for all 17 (maybe more if I missed some) segments. Since the end result is exactly the same routing to avoid tolls, I propose that we don't label all the segments leading to the toll booth since Waze will automatically route properly with just three.

After all, the Wiki if full of messages that say to keep it simple, manageable, but operational. Don't over do things.
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:10 pm

I was thinking through how the cost might be implemented. It seems like you can only have the segment at the point of the toll be the tracking point for cost. If true you only need to mark the segment through the toll booth.

In either case as I was looking how many segments are needed, most of possible Oakland-SF Bay Bridge pre-toll both segments are marked toll. Therefore I submit it will operate fine with just about any "Avoid Toll" solution the team creates so I will check it complete in the OP.

EDIT: Alan, can you check my change in the CA completed section. I may have messed up your intended layout, but there were a few bridges combined on one line, so I separated them.
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:29 am

LittlestLou wrote:Update the following as completed for Texas:

Addison Airport (allaboutxy)
Mountain Creek Lake (allaboutxy)
Sam Houston Ship Channel (bz2012)
San Luis-Vacek Pass (littlestlou)
Lewisville Lake (danolinny / littlestlou)

Updated OP
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:59 pm

LittlestLou wrote:I know this is a noob question but how do I updated the OP? I did some work on a couple Texas/Mexico bridges yesterday (only the state-side though b/c I am not allowed to edit in Mexico).

Completed (Texas side only):

Convent Street Bridge/Gateway to the American Int'l Bridge
Juarez-Lincoln International Bridge

Alan,

Can a CM from North America edit from the Mexico side? Otherwise we need to get someone who has access from that side, no?

I have updated these bridges in the "To Do" side because they still need the Mexico side. Or do we consider them complete from a "US Bridge" perspective?

LittlestLou,

You have to be a moderator, so no worries. As you fix more bridges, just note it here and one of us will move/update it.

Check the OP in the To/Do side. Did I note the correct bridges? Your first bridge description did not match Alan's list exactly.
Juarez-Lincoln (LittlestLou completed US side already)
Laredo International Bridge (Convent St.) (LittlestLou completed US side already)


Thanks for your help.
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:43 pm

LittlestLou wrote:PS: Is it better for me to keep updating this post or adding additional replies?

I believe it is better with separate posts because once it is read, we don't see it again on Forum apps like Tapatalk that follow unread posts (as far as I know).

{EDIT} What Alan said. :lol:
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:48 am

I found a few recent threads on marking Ferries as tolls noting there are still limitations, but I assume we are going to mark them as we go along and not have it restrict our turning on toll roads?

http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=129&t=23448
http://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23596

A few days ago I found a part of SR-84 in California that I never new existed. It crosses a small river by a free ferry. I will have to drive up there to see it. It was not even mapped in Waze, so I added it.

I know we have a number of other ferries that I will look up to see if they charge or are free, either way making sure the path is indicated. The question is if we want to leave off ferries that are down part of the year, or map them anyway. Seems like the same issue as turn restrictions, but technically we can just disconnect the road in the off season after we get a UR saying the Ferry is closed.
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby LittleCena » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:16 pm

Please add to your list:
Maryland:
SR-200, the Inter-County Connector (ICC)

Virginia:
SR-267, the Dulles Toll Road
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby littlestlou » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:39 am

Update the following as completed for Texas:

Addison Airport (allaboutxy)
Mountain Creek Lake (allaboutxy)
Sam Houston Ship Channel (bz2012)
San Luis-Vacek Pass (littlestlou)
Lewisville Lake (danolinny / littlestlou)
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby littlestlou » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:40 pm

I know this is a noob question but how do I updated the OP? I did some work on a couple Texas/Mexico bridges yesterday (only the state-side though b/c I am not allowed to edit in Mexico).

Completed (Texas side only):

Convent Street Bridge/Gateway to the American Int'l Bridge
Juarez-Lincoln International Bridge
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Re: Toll tunnel/bridge checklist - US

Postby littlestlou » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:57 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:Check the OP in the To/Do side. Did I note the correct bridges? Your first bridge description did not match Alan's list exactly.
Juarez-Lincoln (LittlestLou completed US side already)
Laredo International Bridge (Convent St.) (LittlestLou completed US side already)


Thanks for your help.


Well, that is based off my own research looking at the tollway authority websites for these regions, as provided publicly by the counties, among other things. I see where Alan got his list but I would use the descriptions I originally provided as being more accurate for 2012. I also worked on the Monroe St. bridge in Eagle Pass. Will look up the correct name and update accordingly.

Update: Monroe St. is known as the Camino Real Brg based on the city's website.
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