Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby JimB50 » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:20 pm

This is only suggested for industrial facilities, inside the second security level. I don't want to see this used in public areas. The problem with these areas is that truckers are only familiar with a facility if there are very frequent deliveries to a specific place. There are so many facilities that it can be a long time before a trucker returns to the same facility.

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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby JimB50 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:26 am

It just occurred to me that all that really is required for any large landmark is the boundary. On paper maps that is often done. Sometimes an internal shading is added. But the shading is never as vivid as the Waze landmarks. There really should be an option for landmarks over a certain size to have only a boundary or a boundary plus shading.

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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby jwriddle » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:22 am

txemt wrote:Something else I think that should be added.....SR's don't run through military bases, they stop at the gate(s). I was cleaning out a military base in Florida and a lot of the roads had the alternate name as "SR-xx" which is not correct.


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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby jwriddle » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:14 am

... I love lamp.
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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon May 20, 2013 2:39 am

vectorspace wrote:In uploading images, I have found that it doesn't allow me to change an image with a new one, even if I follow the directions. It seems that it cache's my old image somehow and uploads the prior version. I didn't have time to figure it out! I just uploaded a different file name.

It works, but sometimes it is a browser issue. Try not to create new file names for replacements as it makes a mess in the Wiki image database with a bunch of old images not used.
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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon May 20, 2013 2:39 pm

vectorspace wrote:
kentsmith9 wrote:It works, but sometimes it is a browser issue. Try not to create new file names for replacements as it makes a mess in the Wiki image database with a bunch of old images not used.


I was going to go back in and delete them. Can't we do that?

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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:31 pm

I created a discussion on using this same guidelines for public roads that restrict through traffic in this thread if anyone would like to comment on it.
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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby MGODLEW » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:26 am

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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby Mike-1323 » Fri May 17, 2013 10:34 pm

Wiki page looks great. Images will help clarify the concept.

My only change would be to emphasize that the treatment of large installations sould be either preferred or alternate, not a mixture as that will cause all routing off installation to go out the split standard street type exit lane. I've been using the alternative method on Ft. Belvoir in northern VA for several months without issue (though there were a few iterations until I had all the back roads blocked correctly - when map updates were monthly if we were lucky).
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Re: Private Installation Roads - gov/mil/public-sector

Postby mwburn » Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:40 pm

vectorspace wrote:
  • Most military bases have their own zip codes. Doesn't that sound like a city?
  • Zip codes have a place name. The mail delivered to the base as the base name in the city field.
  • Military bases, especially medium to larger ones, can have every service a city has including hospitals. I don't even think this is a requirement not to landmark them, but it shows that they are sufficiently different.
  • The people that work and live on these bases think about them as a different city.


  • Some bases don't have their own zip code
  • The mailing address sometimes uses the city that the base is in
  • Some very large bases don't have services, or have very limited service

I used to work on one such base, and none (or very few) of the 10's of thousands of people who worked on the base, or people from the county, thought of it as a separate city.

I think the problem is that each base is different and trying to come up with a one-size-fits-all guidance will cause problems. I know we all want nice concise conforming guidelines (I am all about consistency), but we've already seen that here in the US, we already have region and state specific guidance for this very reason.

<pun>maybe we need to look at them on a base by base basis</pun> :lol:
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