Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby CBenson » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:23 pm

sketch wrote:BTW the thread you're probably really looking for is called something like "Gas Station Guidance".

You mean the sticky one at top of this forum.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby sketch » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:16 pm

If they don't sell gas (no pumps), delete it.

BTW the thread you're probably really looking for is called something like "Gas Station Guidance".


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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby Cattaco » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:08 pm

This may be off topic and a little late since this thread is a couple of months old, but I found a Flagstop Car Wash and Quick Lube placed by Admin on April 14th in Colonial Heights, Virginia. The placement on the map was probably about 5 miles off, and I corrected that, but its marked as a gas station in the properties even though it doesn't sell gas. I'm kind of new to map editing, and I'm still learning, but I want to do things right.

Any suggestions as to how to handle this? Here is the permalink to the area in question. https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat ... rks=690350

Thanks!
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby sketch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:11 pm

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:I think I need more info about how these fields are used/not used in the app search/station display before deciding. If I search for gas and it comes up showing "Johnsons' Food Stop" and I only want to go to a Chevron or Shell, then I'd not consider that entry because I don't know what it is. Even though it is a Shell, I can't tell that from the app right now. That's why I feel those should be named after the Brand as Shell, not the store name.

There's a station here that is branded Valero and named Discount City.

Gas search uses the Brand field, as does gas price reporting. Destination search (with Waze as the provider) uses the Name field, as do displayed landmarks.

If "Unbranded" is selected as the brand, then "Unbranded" will show in gas search and price reporting. If no brand is selected, the Name field will show for gas search and price reporting.

To use the example, looking for gas, I'll see Valero in the list. Reporting prices, I'll report at Valero. Searching for "Discount City" will get me there; searching for "Valero" will not. The map says "Discount City".

"Danny & Clyde's" (no brand) will show on the map, in gas search, in price reporting, and in destination search as "Danny & Clyde's".

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Gas search

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Destination search, "valero"

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Destination search, "discount city"


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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:38 pm

sketch wrote:... and it seemed to make the most sense to me that stations where the forecourt and store are separately, but prominently, branded should have the store name in the Name field and the pumps name in the Brand field. This wouldn't apply to stores with generic- or brand-specific names (like Shell's "Food Mart" or Exxon's "Tiger Mart") but to things like Exxon / Circle K, or Shell / Dave's Travel Plaza.

I think I need more info about how these fields are used/not used in the app search/station display before deciding. If I search for gas and it comes up showing "Johnsons' Food Stop" and I only want to go to a Chevron or Shell, then I'd not consider that entry because I don't know what it is. Even though it is a Shell, I can't tell that from the app right now. That's why I feel those should be named after the Brand as Shell, not the store name.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby sketch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:45 pm

PhantomSoul wrote:Circle K is a convenience store brand, not gas, right?

Not exactly. It is primarily a convenience store brand. Many of them exist at Exxon gas stations, but there are Circle K locations which have gas pumps and are branded exclusively Circle K.

Likewise, Cracker Barrel is a restaurant, not a gas station, right? Shouldn't they be indexed accordingly, separately?

Cracker Barrel is also a convenience store chain. I don't know whether the two are related. Other than that, it's the same story as Circle K. Some Cracker Barrel stores exist at Shell gas stations, but others have their own gas stations.

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Sketch, what you're suggesting is not how u have understood how we are doing gas stations at all. In most cases the brand and name match. Maybe we missed this in the guidance thread?

Yeah, I don't think we addressed it in the guidance thread. I'm looking back, and unless I'm missing something the OP in that thread doesn't mention what exactly to put in the Name box, except that it shouldn't include the store number.

I started editing a lot of gas stations after that, and it seemed to make the most sense to me that stations where the forecourt and store are separately, but prominently, branded should have the store name in the Name field and the pumps name in the Brand field. This wouldn't apply to stores with generic- or brand-specific names (like Shell's "Food Mart" or Exxon's "Tiger Mart") but to things like Exxon / Circle K, or Shell / Dave's Travel Plaza.

Additionally, it seems appropriate to include the names of stations which are named -- it isn't super common, as far as I know, but some of the Shell stations around have names like "Edenborn Shell" or "Clearview Shell", typically stickered on the front window of the store. Sometimes these names will be shown in Shell's station locator as well.

Finally, the OP still recommends the use of "Unbranded", which should be changed, as IIRC I recommended later in that thread. "Unbranded" should only be used if there is absolutely no branding on the station at all. Otherwise, all that will show in the report list is "Unbranded", which is confusing and inappropriate for stations that aren't included in the list, like "Danny & Clyde's" or "Esplanade Discount One". They aren't unbranded, they just don't have brands in the list.
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:19 pm

Sketch, what you're suggesting is not how u have understood how we are doing gas stations at all. In most cases the brand and name match. Maybe we missed this in the guidance thread?
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby PhantomSoul » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:03 pm

sketch wrote:
PhantomSoul wrote:I don't see how anything other than the most prevalent sign you see by the side of the road is relevant here. Just my $0.02 ;)

Exxon Circle K has a huge Exxon logo and a huge Circle K logo on their signs. Some other places do this too (like the Cracker Barrel Store chain).

It also gives us guidance for instances where both are available in the Brand field, like Exxon and Circle K, or Shell and Cracker Barrel (IIRC). There are stations which are only Circle K, or only Cracker Barrel, but when it's both, we should put the "more gassy" brand in the Brand part.


Circle K is a convenience store brand, not gas, right? Likewise, Cracker Barrel is a restaurant, not a gas station, right? Shouldn't they be indexed accordingly, separately?
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby PhantomSoul » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:50 am

I don't see how anything other than the most prevalent sign you see by the side of the road is relevant here. Just my $0.02 ;)
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Re: Converting gas station venues to landmarks [US]

Postby sketch » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:39 am

Don't use Unbranded unless there is absolutely zero branding on the station, pumps, and store. Leave the Brand drop-down blank (top option) if the station is generic.

I like to put the name of the store in the Name field and the gas station in the Brand field when both are obvious. For example, there are a lot of Exxon / Circle K combos around, so I'll put "Circle K" in the name field and set the brand as "Exxon". I think it'd be good to establish this as a standard.


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