Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

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Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:00 am

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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby foxitrot » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:55 am

Sure. The whole Waze has always been about utilizing what's available and hacking around what's broken (despite the promises and plans) in order to fulfill the need for an useful and functional navigation. A half-transparent POI with proper navigation point (or at least a bottom-most landmark (why do they still not allow to specify their vertical ordering?)) would be preferred.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby bgodette » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:43 am

foxitrot wrote:OTOH you can also be providing a lot of landmarks for things you have to drive to. Campuses are not necessarily identical, some have large common parking lots and you finally have to walk to the target building through the mentioned parks, others have own small (underground / roof) parking directly at the target.
However handy that currently is, it's basically a "hack" due to Waze's lack of POI handling. I currently have such landmarks for DIA's arrivals and departure points for the east and west sides of the airport so that people get routed correctly (east side only, OMG cluster %$#% for west side due to light rail construction), but I'd much rather have real POI support.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby foxitrot » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:03 pm

Riamus wrote:If you're providing a lot of landmarks for things you have to walk to, then you're promoting using it while walking and that just doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

OTOH you can also be providing a lot of landmarks for things you have to drive to. Campuses are not necessarily identical, some have large common parking lots and you finally have to walk to the target building through the mentioned parks, others have own small (underground / roof) parking directly at the target.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby Riamus » Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:02 pm

I think it comes down to what was said already... the entire campus is a landmark and the individual buildings are POIs. Waze will be adding points of interest, so we should not promote adding landmarks for places that will be POIs. That just means a lot of editing to remove all of those later. Also, as pointed out, names will tend to float around so they don't overlap. I have seen the current road name appear on another road because of this and that can cause people to make incorrect turns.

And until Waze provide the option of using it for walking/biking, we shouldn't be promoting anything that makes people think it's fine to use Waze when you aren't driving as that just messes up speed data and generates MPs. If you're providing a lot of landmarks for things you have to walk to, then you're promoting using it while walking and that just doesn't sound like a good idea to me. I already see GPS marks throughout parks and down rivers and across lakes. Thankfully most of those aren't near enough to roads to matter, but that isn't really what Waze is for. At least, not currently.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby foxitrot » Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:00 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:PhysicsDave havin' some fun: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... =-84.46323

:shock: Why am I able to see just one ancient single segment far and wide: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=4&lat ... s=57645047 - Got the area cleaned up by someone?
[edit] OK, got it - World vs. US & Canada only. I didn't know that the INTL server contained ANY segments at the US territory?

sketch wrote:... I just don't think it's a terrible idea.

While testing various landmark combinations and configurations, I've mapped a few such areas with a thin named landmark snake "along the fence line", additionally the buildings with reasonably short names (where part of the name could be contained in the "main" landmark). Looked usably IMHO - each important building was visible with its name and the whole area was also visible including its floating name.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby sketch » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:02 am

I'm not saying I think it should be the rule, just saying I don't mind it.

But, good point, I do think that major college sports stadiums should be included.


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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Oct 09, 2013 12:00 am

daknife wrote:I'm with Andy on this, the guidelines are a single landmark for the University.
:shock: We agree on something?!?!?
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby Daknife » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:40 pm

sketch wrote:I just don't think it's a terrible idea.
I do, a mass of smaller landmarks tends to glob together unevenly, the names float around leading to further confusion as to which label goes to which blob. (particularly when they are longer names as often found with University Buildings). Additionally the client randomizes which names it actually shows so often the building you may be looking for isn't even displayed making it near useful as a visual reference.
The one exception to the Single Landmark I've allowed at universities in Utah is with major Stadiums on the edge of the schools, those get a separate landmark over the stadium and adjacent parking log, but the rest is all under one single landmark for the University. When the smaller names are put under the larger landmark those floating names seem even more random as the lesser landmarks don't show.

I'm with Andy on this, the guidelines are a single landmark for the University.
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Re: Whatcha think: mess of campus buildings

Postby PhantomSoul » Mon Oct 07, 2013 2:39 pm

Isn't the intention of Waze to help you drive between work/school and home - the operating word being drive? I totally understand wanting to use one app for as much as possible, but frankly, walking with Waze is way out of its scope, and moreso, traffic jams are irrelevant when you are walking. Also, unless you're walking along only parking lot roads, whose speed data is suppressed, doing so with Waze turned on can, over time, corrupt the speed metrics of those roads, or even cause it to falsely report traffic jams, ultimately doing the Waze system a disservice.
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