DwarfLord wrote: ... brand new red cul-de-sac roundabouts by a Rank 2 editor with a different handle. A bunch created yesterday (Wed 3/12/2014).

This is the first time I've seen red roads created by a Rank 2. Usually by Rank 2 an editor has that much sorted...

nhanway:
Hey aypsdeleon,

Roundabouts are for roundabouts only. Roundabouts are not used for cul-de-sac's... ever. I have gone through and deleted some but have left the rest for you to delete. If you don't I will within 7 days. Please also keep in mind that U-Turn should not be allowed on dead end segments so leave them RED.
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Junction_Sty ... ul-de-sacs

Please also remember when adding new roads to add City and Street Name fields. Otherwise some other editor has to go in and add those fields for you... Because you didn't add these all the roundabouts / roads you added are red in color.

Please read the Wiki
And read though the forum

Thanks,
Your area manager nhanway

aypsdeleon:
"Okay, I was just copying the google maps. Since google did buy Waze"

davielde wrote:

nhanway wrote:I have been locking all dead end segments to level 2. For two reasons.
1) to prevent waze from automatically allowing U-turns
2) to prevent rookie editors from adding roundabouts.
this seems to be an common problem. So I been locking.

Try to remember what it was like when you first started. Did anyone here edit a freeway on their first day? Sure, cul-de-sac changes are annoying, but would most people still be editing if someone locked them out of the little things from the start? I would much prefer new editors stick to cul-de-sacs, parking lot roads, and landmarking Taco Bells in my managed area because they won't affect routing for the majority of people, and it provides an "in" for guidance and mentoring for those who decide to stick with it. Major roads can still be locked, and the coming traffic locks will protect major routes that are not manually locked.

I've had a few editors in my managed area who edit for a day or two, decide it's not for them, and my PM for their red roads, roundabouts, etc. still appears in my Outbox instead of in Sent. They signed in, caused some minor issues, and never came back to the forum or WME. On the other hand, I've also had the opportunity to point people to various wiki or forum resources, and they've been quite responsive and appreciative. I've seen their edits improve, just like mine did/do continually. The things I pay most attention to now (often due to guidance from my RC and others) are certainly not what I was looking at in my first month or two. It's tempting sometimes to prevent short term problems (especially in an area you may have just edited recently and feel that some of your hard work has been undone...), but locking cul-de-sacs and simple two-way street segments may be discouraging editors who could otherwise be future area managers or even champs--they just need a little time and guidance to gain expertise.

kentsmith9 wrote:

daknife wrote:So we've progressed to the point that more and more areas are being locked to level 2 or higher. Should we just ask Waze to lock out all newbie editors? Assuming they will all make such mistakes? Locks should be restricted to real problems, not something like this.

If they are locked out, what do they edit to learn and get to rank 2?

daknife wrote:I think you miss-understand what locking a dead end road does. It doesn't prevent Waze from sending you on a U-turn. Locking doesn't affect any actual routing events or actions. It only limits editors.

You have to qw the end node to get it to not give u-turn instructions.

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:But honestly, what purpose does the historical info serve in assisting editors right away? I understand that it could be interesting, but I don't see it as something which should be included in current operational guidelines. Think about a service desk that you call in for help with your computer. It would not be helpful to them to have pages of previous information about other operating systems or apps which are no longer in use, or the history of Microsoft outlook, just to get to the part about Outlook 2013 and a problem they are having with that one. Only if the historical information is actually relevant to today, should it be included. I see it as only a potential source of confusion.

Wiki proposal to be made wrote:===Automatic adjustments===
When a user edits the map and alters a previously untouched segment by changing the segment's nodes, turn restrictions, names, etc., the Waze servers will not automatically alter that segment in the future. Before a user alters a segment, the Waze server could alter road directionality, shape, and turn restrictions based on tracking real-world driving, via GPS inputs.

In the past, the Waze server was known to have changed even segments that had been edited. This lead to many users locking down roads to prevent the Waze server from adjusting the segment. Since the Waze server can no longer alter edited segments, locking roads for this reason is no longer necessary.

If an editor finds a road locked for seemingly no reason, use the procedure described above for changing locked map segments, to request a permanent release of the lock.