Show speed limits om roads you drive.

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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:19 pm

ryryryry87 wrote:i am kind of curious the ages of people supporting this compared to those against this :roll:

Implying...?
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby dmcconachie » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:11 pm

Very very much no!
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby DavidM78z » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:27 pm

+1

Would be very nice to have speed limit's on the roads on the map.
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Re: Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:05 am

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daknife wrote:Either that or they'll report or correct the data themselves, and the speed limit data will soon be far more accurate than on any other service out there. Just as letting people drive on incomplete maps is a complete waste of time, and naming streets or numbering houses is a complete waste of time. Your logic simply does not follow in regards to a user edited platform.

And as to the $$$$ reply, yes they paid for the speed limit data from some source. Waze can get that same data for free within a very short period of time.

The logic absolutely follows. The maps do not need to be 100% to be useful, speed limits do. The map will gradually learn of its own accord if left long enough, speed limits will not. Maps are crucial to the functioning of the map, speed limits are not. Look out your windscreen to see speed limits, if there are not enough signs then contact your local council!

Waze will undoubtedly bend to pressure on this and implement something, it'll be horribly labour intensive, data will be patchy at best and most folk will either switch it off or end up complaining on here about how bad it is.

So just like most the maps. People either switch Waze off, or complain about it, or a group goes to work and makes it work. A prime example of this was Las Vegas NV. When I first got CM status I wandered down there in response to a UR up in my state. Low and behold it was a mess and outside the Interstates and maybe along the strip it was a field of UR's and MP's and nobody was doing anything to make it better. I spent a few weeks working hard on it. At first new UR's were appearing faster than I could clear them, but gradually as I got first the main roads routeable and then into the subdivisions I started pulling ahead. And suddenly local editors started jumping in and editing. Now on the rare occasion I happen to bounce in to respond to an unlock request I see very few UR's and MP's and evidence of several active editors. Speed limits will work the same. Yes we may need some additional junction points in some places, or perhaps Waze can come up with another way of us marking the start point of a new speed limit. It probably will need a junction but perhaps they can come up with a visual indicator that the extra nodes are related to speed limits say a square node instead of a round node or a star.

Will this come, maybe maybe not. This weekend is the Waze meet in Palo Alto (I couldn't go), maybe this feature'll be discussed there, maybe not. Someone says to look out the window for speed limits, well sometimes you miss a sign or it's been knocked down, or badly placed or they just need more of them, but wouldn't it be nice to have an indicator on your screen of what users have said the posted limit there is? Who hasn't driven somewhat nervously for a ways on occasion when they realize they don't remember seeing a speed limit sign for a while and hoping to see a sign so they can know if they are or are not speeding.

I would have the settings screen where a user can opt to turn it on, have a warning caveat that the data may not be entirely accurate and to trust signs before Waze. But I can see it quickly being adapted across the road system. And errors and or changes would be quickly noted and corrected.
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:36 am

Either that or they'll report or correct the data themselves, and the speed limit data will soon be far more accurate than on any other service out there. Just as letting people drive on incomplete maps is a complete waste of time, and naming streets or numbering houses is a complete waste of time. Your logic simply does not follow in regards to a user edited platform.

And as to the $$$$ reply, yes they paid for the speed limit data from some source. Waze can get that same data for free within a very short period of time.
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:01 am

Yet if it's such an impossible task to accomplish using crowd sourcing, then how pray tell did the other stand-alone nav gadgets (Tom Tom, Garmin etc...) get their speed limit databases built without the power of crowdsourcing?

They aren't perfect but there weren't that many areas where my TomTom was wrong on what the posted speed limit was. Somehow they managed to get fairly accurate data, and they didn't have the crowd sourcing and device tracking abilities that Waze has. I think this is no more an unrealistic problem than any other mapping issue Waze has faced. Countries with no roads at all, which now have very complete maps without ever getting a basemap import. Countries that had pretty good user generated maps and then got a basemap import and within weeks the maps are looking navigable again (at least in major population areas). As TomTom and Garmin were able to come up with this data I'm thinking there's a national database available, and even if not, Waze could simply not show a speed on any segments that didn't have that data, and as users notice that, and edit, those segments will get filled in. Heck it'll give newbies in well edited areas some work to do to get points.
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:03 am

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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:15 am

That's why I quickly voiced against any kind of audio warning. I can ignore a color change if I choose (or more accurately, I'd simply expect it to nearly always be red). If they were to make it do something annoying like flash, or ding or do anything to attract my attention other than simply changing color then yes I too would be against it as I agree with not wanting it nagging me. But it can be quite easy to miss a speed limit sign and thus miss a change, and it would be nice to have a visual indicator as to when I was taking my wallet in my own hand while driving (risk a ticket) for in case I did miss a change in the speed limit.

Here in Utah even the freeways can vary in the speed limit. In metro areas it's 65, in most rural areas it's 75 though there is a stretch of one freeway that is 70, and there are sections in the very rural central and southern parts of the state that are 80. But it's not 80 from one point on, it bounces back and forth between 75 and 80 a few times. We wish they'd just make it all 80 but they haven't yet.
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:39 am

cageybear wrote:i guess i am against gps advising me of the speed limit - on the basis that i am supposed to be awake and aware of where I am. I am not a robot.

A while ago I was listening to a police officer on the radio and he reminded the listeners that speed limits are MAXIMUM speed, not TARGETS. Problem is that some people might think that the satnav was telling them the speed they should be doing, rather than what it mustn't exceed.

That's a weak argument, one that could be made against the peed "suggestion" signs as well.

Particularly if as I suggested Waze were to do like other aps and devices that do track the speed limits and change the color of the speed box to red when you exceed the posted limit. Those services see no legal problems with such a feature and I doubt waze would either.
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Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby Daknife » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:07 am

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lchamp423 wrote:When I see a police patrol, I quickly check the Garmin to confirm my speed limit in case I missed the last sign. Yeah, it would be nice if the Waze software included this. It seems that the thought of this causes a lot of resentment among the old hands here, so I'll keep using the Garmin for now...and the Waze, too...


So when you get pulled over for speeding, good luck convincing the police officer that you were following the speed limit on your Garmin and not the signs posted on the road :P


If you are polite and courteous it can indeed result in the officer deciding to let you off with a warning when you explain that you had missed the last sign and according to the Garmin you thought you were within the limits. It's not a guarantee, but I've gotten out of many tickets by pulling over as soon as I realized the cop was moving and being polite and courteous and acknowledging that I understand why they pulled me over. Giving him a reason why you were so confused about the speed limit just helps him decide to be nice, if he's in the mood for it. And with Waze running you could even make a point of making a report of an incorrect speed limit with him right there watching you do it. If he's truly trying to reduce speeding and not just generating revenue then he'll appreciate you proactively taking a step to help others know the speed limits. You can even ask him where the current limit starts. Then when he walks away hit the speed trap warning as well just to further help your fellow wazers. ;) ;)
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