Show speed limits om roads you drive.

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Re: Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby gordonski » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:21 pm

bgodette wrote:Nice hyperbole, except there's a difference, those are things you cannot see "from a distance" that AFFECT ROUTING. Speed limits are not.


Then I wonder, why waze collects speed information and calculates average speeds for roads, when they are not needed IN ANY WAY? (Hooray for caps :roll: )
Just because you don't want speed information it doesn't mean that they must be useless for anybody else on the planet.
As suggested before, it would be possible to implement a toggle in the settings menu to enable and disable speed information, for those who obviously don't give a [ img ] .
If this is such a crappy, useless, disturbing feature, then why does every navigation software I have seen so far offer it? And why can't you just accept that some people actually do use this feature because they do think it's useful?

Nothing on waze has official appearance, we all know it's purely user driven. Why does that make any bit of information wrong in your eyes? Why on earth do use waze, when you consider all user-provided data to be wrong?

That's all i have to say about that,
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Re: Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby bgodette » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:07 pm

gordonski wrote:
bgodette wrote:There really is no gain from adding this, and a long list of downsides, chief amongst them the liability exposure and additional work needed to maintain that data. Get your speed limit information from where your attention should be, the road.


And get your information about dangers from there, too? Restricted turns? Watch the signs! Traffic jams? Keep a look ahead! ...seriously?
Nice hyperbole, except there's a difference, those are things you cannot see "from a distance" that AFFECT ROUTING. Speed limits are not.

gordonski wrote:I could do my daily commute completely without the assistance of waze. But it's meant to maker things easier for you. I never drove myself in the US, so I'm not sure what it looks like over there. Here in Europe we have roads where speed limits vary a lot. Outside of cities Germany has a general speed limit of 100km/h (~60mph). But these streets could also be limited to any lower value. Furthermore streets with two lanes per direction or where lanes have constructional separations, the limit is 130km/h (~80mph). In cities the general limit is 50km/h (~30mph) except for multilane roads or seprated lanes where it can be up to 70km/h (~45mph). On highways there's no general limit. However there are many sections which are limited. We also have dynamic limits, which are set automatically or manually when traffic increases, or visibility decreases. Sometimes with individual limits for each lane. On 10 miles of highway the speed limit may vary from 60km/h (~40mph) (road construction) to "whatever your car can do". But few hours later the maximum limit could be only boring 120km/h (~75mph).
If waze offered a feature to inform you about the current speed limit, I'm convinced that over here many wazer would use this feature. I definitely would!
Thank you for listing seven reasons why this is a bad idea and effectively impossible to implement without giving wrong information, let alone actually keep the information current.

gordonski wrote:Everyone knows, that waze doesn't offer any official information. When you drive too fast because waze told you so and you get caught, it's still your own fault, just like it's your own fault when you take a disallowed turn or go the wrong way in a oneway street. Waze is an assistant, not an autopilot or a controller you must obey in any situation. I guess this is clear to all of us.
So why add something with the appearance of official information, that WILL BE WRONG? Bad information is useless to the driver, is just noise and will be ignored as demonstrated by EVERY navigation device/app that has added speed data.
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Re: Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby gordonski » Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:10 am

bgodette wrote:There really is no gain from adding this, and a long list of downsides, chief amongst them the liability exposure and additional work needed to maintain that data. Get your speed limit information from where your attention should be, the road.


And get your information about dangers from there, too? Restricted turns? Watch the signs! Traffic jams? Keep a look ahead! ...seriously?

I could do my daily commute completely without the assistance of waze. But it's meant to maker things easier for you. I never drove myself in the US, so I'm not sure what it looks like over there. Here in Europe we have roads where speed limits vary a lot. Outside of cities Germany has a general speed limit of 100km/h (~60mph). But these streets could also be limited to any lower value. Furthermore streets with two lanes per direction or where lanes have constructional separations, the limit is 130km/h (~80mph). In cities the general limit is 50km/h (~30mph) except for multilane roads or seprated lanes where it can be up to 70km/h (~45mph). On highways there's no general limit. However there are many sections which are limited. We also have dynamic limits, which are set automatically or manually when traffic increases, or visibility decreases. Sometimes with individual limits for each lane. On 10 miles of highway the speed limit may vary from 60km/h (~40mph) (road construction) to "whatever your car can do". But few hours later the maximum limit could be only boring 120km/h (~75mph).
If waze offered a feature to inform you about the current speed limit, I'm convinced that over here many wazer would use this feature. I definitely would!

Everyone knows, that waze doesn't offer any official information. When you drive too fast because waze told you so and you get caught, it's still your own fault, just like it's your own fault when you take a disallowed turn or go the wrong way in a oneway street. Waze is an assistant, not an autopilot or a controller you must obey in any situation. I guess this is clear to all of us.

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Re: Re: Show speed limits om roads you drive.

Postby bgodette » Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:59 am

R4CLucky14 wrote:There's no sensible, smart way to implement it. And as others have said, there's no real gain from it, except headache.

There really is no gain from adding this, and a long list of downsides, chief amongst them the liability exposure and additional work needed to maintain that data. Get your speed limit information from where your attention should be, the road.
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