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Being a community - what does it mean

Post by Marcin_S
Dear Wazers,
When Waze started, it used the points system as a reward to attract editors. And it worked: many people are startled by gaining points. Soon a competition arised and the map developed quickly in some places. It was easy for those that started early, who didn´t get the throttling system and got promoted on the basis of points. But are these points a good measurement to promote people nowadays? If an editor is giving support worldwide, making new tools and scripts that helps other editors, which in turns helps the community to maintain the Waze map, wouldn´t that count for a promotion? Is edit count the only thing that matters? So a point hunter has more chance to raise in level than a developer working for all of us?
It is easy to grab a lot of points with the use of tools or scripts prepared by somebody else. That somebody else has to understand how each edit impact the driver. But the user only need to start the machine and go for points and get the rewards?
We, as a India Team, are trying to help each other. The number of edits is not important for the community. Each of us has different skills. Why not promote good style and way of supporting the community? That makes good editors too. Together we make a strong team.
On behalf of the India team,

Marcin
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Post by Challenger3802
I'm curious too. What criteria do you use to consider upgrading an editor?

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Post by Challenger3802
Point being that an editor working in a foreign community and contributing to such an extent that an upgrade is considered, has to go through their own countries management team to get a promotion. And that team considers points through editing as being the only valid criteria for promotion.
petervdveen wrote:We have self managed communities now. What's the point exactly?

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Post by Dutchdirt
Every self-managed country has a promotion system with their specific set of rules. And I'm assuming that each and every country has thought that over really well. One may think the system they've got isn't the smartest solution but: Hey, it's their system.
And IMHO changing a system works best from within that system.

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Post by Falcon4Tech
Waze is not just editions, it's many other aspects of the community.
IMHO that quantity doesn't equal quality.
The basis is knowledge, system construction details, activity in the community, not 'buying' points by changing the geometry of the road ;)

Sometimes I have the impression that I am inhibited. I have knowledge and skills (I hope I'm trust too) but I miss points to do it myself, and I have to ask for help from others.

A clear system is needed for such a change. We do not want anyone to be accused of favoritism.
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Post by freesoft
It is a very controversial issue, personally I don't agree that users are measured by a level of quantity of editions, when in reality we don't see the quality of them, we appeal to a better quality not quantity, on the other hand like other users I think that many of us collaborate in some way that is not through the editor, I think it goes in the way of thinking also of each one, in my case I am not interested in the points but in collaborating in the improvement of the map, the current system should be changed by a promotion system is of level according to the contribution of each user to the community and not by the number of segments or places edited.
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Post by juanchomart
greetings Wazers!

once
while using the app
seeing some "player"/ users
doing massive (irrelevant) reports
i thought that perhaps
if points for reports would have a ponderation upon the thanks/approbation received
that would make a difference in terms of quality

simoltaneously
a Waze communications campaign
would explain the new way of summing points
with two main objectives
from one part: incentive users for reporting only real & useful
and the other: ask to everyone favor the good reports with a "thanks"
(therefore...
the useless reports would not account for points
and
time after
maybe discourage for making them)

it would help take conscience of what Waze point are
and would give the power of qualification to the Community as Whole
[spam/false voting filters/controls should apply to the system
and for an additional quality weigh of voters
Wazers with managing rols in the community would have a double vote]

i guess that could also apply for the map
(for new editions from a starting time point)

just an idea...
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Post by moweez
vladimobile wrote:... High ranks give access to advanced tools that could be dangerous if misused, and I believe communities need to define methods of evaluating their editors skills unrelated to either points or non-editing achievements. Russian community leadership never base their rank upgrade or downgrade decisions on both, and for years this approach is working well for us.
I concur. The difficulty is how to judge objectively the editing quality. Being curious, how does Russian team define this?
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Post by petervdveen
We have self managed communities now. What's the point exactly?

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Post by vladimobile
I have to agree that number of edits is a bad criteria to judge whether or not editors deserve their editing ranks to be upgraded. However, someone's achievements outside the realm of map editing, like script writing or tool development, shouldn't be a criteria either. Editing rank has to reflect editor's skills and knowledge, nothing else. High ranks give access to advanced tools that could be dangerous if misused, and I believe communities need to define methods of evaluating their editors skills unrelated to either points or non-editing achievements. Russian community leadership never base their rank upgrade or downgrade decisions on both, and for years this approach is working well for us.
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