[Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

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[Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby BertZZZZ » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:43 am

Highway exit naming in Belgium is confusing.
- Every Exit has a name given (big white displays - with Exit <Nr> <official name>. This display is a approx 1 to 2 kilometers away from the exit. To be used according to the current wiki page https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Benelux_Ramp. The official name may or may not be meaningful to a driver.
- This official name is not used anymore in the big (blue) overhead signs, where typically the destinations are leading (mostly, but not always, completed with the exit number)

This may be very confusing for a driver. Especially when the official name is referring to something very local.

Proposal: Include the 2 first destinations in the the exit naming followed by the formal naming between brackets. Exit <Nr> <Destination1> <Destination2> (<official name>)

example "Sortie 8 Louvrange" becomes Sortie 8 Louvain - Grez-Doiceau (Louvrange)
https://www.waze.com/editor/?env=row&lo ... s=88225743
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby wimvandierendonck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:19 pm

The white on blue panels indicate destinations. So if this guideline would be changed, the same logic should be used as for entrance ramps.

My proposal:
Sortie 8 Louvrange > Louvain - Grez-Doiceau
(The > is the direction indicator in BE)
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby BertZZZZ » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:34 pm

Good proposal as well.
I reviewed today IRL quite some exits, conclusion
- Many white signs = main reference on blue signs (E.g. E314 Afrit 15 Leuven, goes to Leuven indeed) => no addition required
- Some white signs give one destination out of many. E40 Exit Boutersem goes to Boutersem / Bevekom /Bierbeek => here reference to Boutersem comes first => full chain = ok, no addition or removal required.
- Some white signs are not or only partially referring to the naming on the exits. => Include in white sign (one way or another)

Other conclusion: we are not consistent in what we use across different exits on the same highway.
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby wimvandierendonck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:38 pm

Actually, if I re-read the wiki paragraph, the current version is already close to my proposal. But that is not reflected in the examples in the table.
Exits are named in the official language of the region where they are located (see cityname). If the exit has been numbered, the number must be added to the streetname. Citynames that are mentioned on the road signs, are added to the streetname, separated by a '/'. Road numbers aren't added to the name of the exit


I agree with your last conclusion.
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby tilto » Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:54 am

i Like the label : Exit <Nr> <Destination1> <Destination2> (<official name>)
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby acidoxy » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:38 pm

For me official name is the most important, and asked like that in the wiki. Number + official name.
If you have to communicate with the authorities (for example to declare an accident) the official name is the important one.
You can follow the vocal instruction to exit (without listening to the name) or visually.
Most of time, at the end of the exit, segment split in 2 and there is the exact direction. For example keep left to N...> liège or keep right to N... direction Andenne (not real situation)
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby BertZZZZ » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:06 pm

The official name is for most drivers confusing, if there is no relation with the reality at the exit. Confusion is what we try to avoid by proper naming conventions (and exceptions when needed).
Therefore the current wiki description is suboptimal. I looks like being translated from other countries, not taking the Belgian (absurd) reality into account that official names are not repeated at the location where it matters.

I do not agree on the communication with the authorities: one that has an accident at the exit, will not remember the "official" name if it differs from the displays at the exit. If you ask anyone that is heading to Leuven from the E411, guess 99% will refer to the "Exit 25 Louvain" not to Louvrange. Seen the number of exits in that area, having the wrong name is confusing. As a user, you start thinking waze is suggesting something else than expected. In this example: the road does not split in 2.
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby acidoxy » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:12 pm

Like you say, everybody will remember exit 25... Name doesn't matter.
In most of case the name of the exit is the name of the closest city. Not the direction of a city 20 km away of this exit.
If we had to change something I would go for the proposal of Wim.
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby steveningelbrecht » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:40 pm

Besides the point: is this the place to discuss the content of the guidelines/editing rules?

About the topic? Are we looking for a solution, while there is not really a problem?
Are users complaining about the instructions or naming? Are there UR's?
I'm not really in to problemfocused working methods, and i do like working pro active and structured, but, what is confusing about the way exits are indicated now?
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Re: [Page Update Proposal] Highway exit naming in Belgium

Postby acidoxy » Wed Jan 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Yes some UR's sometimes for asking to give the official name like here: https://www.waze.com/fr/editor/?env=row ... st=9683576 and other to give the usual name like here: https://www.waze.com/fr/editor/?env=row ... st=9763887
For the second one for example, you'll never find press article with sortie 14 Namur-centre but always sortie 14 Bouge.
For me Wiki is clear, no matter what some wazers thinks. Number + official name
Then indeed for me... No problem
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