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Brainstorming AM-management

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:31 pm

Some questions then...

Do you have a guideline for managing existing (old) AMs?
Do they have to reapply and does their AM (not rights but) obligation expire at some point?
Can you contact and sustain contact with existing AMs?
Do you even know who applied (earlier) and are an approved AM?
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Brainstorming AM-management

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:43 pm

Hello!

I've quietly followed this thread to see if you come up with anything new about AM management. We (in Sweden) just appointed some Champs (I'm one) and, just,like you, investigates how to best manage AM applications and guidelines for AM management.

I will not interfere how you solve this! This is just some thoughts I'd like to share...

Like sirKitKat says, becoming an AM (today) isn't much more than a label.
But you can put more in to that label than there is today. Like responsibility.

Wikipedia says:
Management in all business and organizational activities is the act of getting people together to accomplish desired goals and objectives using available resources efficiently and effectively. Management comprises planning, organizing, staffing, leading or directing, and controlling an organization (a group of one or more people or entities) or effort for the purpose of accomplishing a goal.


I therefor think that becoming an AM isn't about getting rights, it's fulfilling obligations. Every user can edit in WME (besides locks) but an AM is supposed to control these edits and directing the editors.

It's not about:
- getting an area and having the explicit rights to edit in that area.
- doing the most editing in an area.
- earning points.
- being a better Wazer.

It's about leading and guiding editors in that area to minimize workload and maximize usability.
Leading and guiding could be:
- answer questions that comes up.
- contact editors to correct their strategy.
- pointing editors to the Wiki, FAQ, and Forums.
- report abuse to Champs.

As petervdveen said in his first post, it's about communication (not editing).
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby teknoir » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:53 pm

sirKitKat wrote:An other great feature would be adding comments/threads like/wiki style like to the waze map editor or to junctions.

This would help in situations that, in real life, has undergone construction/modification/change of turn restrictions that are not visible in areal photo's or even streetview.

Also an editor could explain why he did a strange modification.

Example:
In the case of a barrier on a road, a tractor filter (aka 'carter rammer'), pole in the middle of the road The solution I use is adding a junction-point at the place of the obstacle and disallow all turns. This prevents the street for being used for go trough traffic in routing but the routing will sends you to the correct side of the barrier if your destination is on that road.

To a experienced editor who come across such a point, it looks like an unnecessary junction-point and there is a change he will remove it or allow all turns on it. Result: a step back in improving the map.
Solution, an exclamation mark on the map next to the junction with an explanation why that junction is there in its place.

Be able to put a comment marker at a location in the map editor would indeed be a valuable function i missed some times to explain e.g. that the situation has changed from the aerials.

To avoid the problem you describe, i either disconnect both segments of the road so there is a clear gap between them, or put a piece of pedestrian boardwalk between them locked with direction "unknown". This way it is more clear that you can not drive through that point with a car and routing will send you down the correct segment. I strongly recommend this method!
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:10 pm

And its evident for me at least am and cm should be active in the forum...

Expiration date is a great idea...
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:10 pm

Totally agree... But i thought this was already the case in the system of today?

What you say is about vision and meaning...
I think the question is how the system can 'force' the vision more than it does today?!
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:52 pm

sirKitKat wrote:review system for locked segments
There should be review system that allow lower level users can make a set of edits on a higher locked segment. The set of edits can leave a map-error-like-pin for the higher map editors to review.
Something like this:
sirKitKat (level 3) is editing some roads in his neighbourhood. One of the roads is a N## road and is locked by steveningelbrecht (level 5). On this N## road there are some turning ristrictions not set correctly and sirKitKat (3) set them right, removes some extra waypoints and adds housenumbers to the segment. So far nothing special. When sirKitKat (3) pushes on save, the road in the map editor does not change but instead there is a marker (like the one reported trough the client). When a level 5 spots the mark, he can click on it, and the changes that sirKitKat (3) made are highlighted from the current situation. Now the level 5 can accept these changes or reject them. He should be able to give feedback to sirKitKat why he accepts or rejects the changes.


This would be a great thing, that could be used even more widely. Instead of a simple instruction video for beginners, there could be a totally leveled system of where every editor could be 'revised'... of course, depending on what kind of segments he edited. It speeks for itselfs that a level 3 wouldn't need as much 'revisioning', as a level 1 or 2, or like a level 4 by level 5...

The contra for this is, i think, there is pretty much work to program it... While the first step could be the bullet or dropdown system for locking segments... I guess this is only some adjustment for the WME interface, and an extra parameter per segment in the DB.
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby steveningelbrecht » Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:51 pm

i think we definitely need a new policy about locking segments and also need to have a frame for the coming boom of Belgian Wazers and map editors... :-)

About the locking :
it's to bad we need to focus on the level of the editor in relation to the type of segment and need to lock.
In a ideal situation, every editor should be able to lock a segment on any kind of level, up to the level he has. This way, for example, a level 5 could lock a certain segment on level 3, so AM's of level 3 could unlock or work the segment without the need of requesting an unlock.
The situation now, about requesting unlocks is something like all or nothing, while "black or white" or the most uncommon colours... ;-)

The policy about a type of segment linking to a lvl 3, 4 or 5 (in case of locking) in combination of the coaching, seems ok to me.
Up till today, i don't think we already have enough editors who keep track of the forum and/or wiki, or am i wrong?
I agree we need to have a policy first, so we don't need to make one, once we have a much bigger community, but i haven't had much contact with other belgians over here... so that is also an important thing, i think?!

What do other editors think?
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:19 pm

maantje76 wrote:... You can always discuss with your coach if you want to ...

Where can you (or will you) find out who your coach is?
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:37 am

kriekenbuik wrote:How many tiles can I choose?
I think we need many AM if every AM choose 9 tiles.
If I want to update an area with streetnames but I have na access to it can I than ask another area for a month or so?


You can ask as many tiles you want I think. Or you can ask extra tiles to expand your area.

maantje76 wrote:What we had in mind is that current and new L3 editors can choose their preffered 'centre' tile of their area. Depending on the location (amount of current editors, complexity, current state,...), they get an area assigned. As a learning traject they can get a complete different area if the requested area is over crowded, to complex or almost done.


I took a small area to start with but I plan to expand the area to other tiles if my area is almost done.
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Re: Brainstorming AM-management

Postby sirKitKat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:59 pm

You may sign me up for the following tiles (Level 3):

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Rect: [4099 - 4356]

4099 - 4186 - 4273 - 4358
4098 - 4185 - 4272 - 4357
4097 - 4184 - 4271 - 4356


Could be I'm wrong but it looks like a lot of work for the CM. Or did you automate the process?
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