Security and False reporting

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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:40 am

It is possible for someone to go through and close roads, or worse, flat-out delete roads like crazy if they want. There are enough users who aren't assholes, who would notice, call attention to it, and Waze could revoke that other user's privileges. It's not nearly a perfect system.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:45 pm

It is also unlikely that Waze will implement much of a solution before there is a problem. The plans they have for more granular and street-importance-based permissions are a step in the right direction. They are, at the moment, just plans.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby CBenson » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:15 pm

I don't know if they are reliably that frequent. But many times the MPs show up the day after I have made an edit based on GPS data that is half a year old.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby daknife » Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:10 am

Actually the system will protect against this, maybe not by design but it works.

In my area we have a section of interstate undergoing a major rebuild, two weeks ago a rather heavily trafficked interchange was closed for a six week period. In anticipation of the closure I disconnected the ramps and the cut the road under the freeway (as that section of road is also closed) and did it timed for an update to have the closure go active a couple days after the interchange closed. From the time I made the edit until the interchange closed and a couple days afterwards I was seeing multiple UR's from the system because the roads were not connected yet traffic was flowing through the disconnects.

Thus the protection. Someone could try to be a joker or a jerk, but if any editors are paying attention to the area, they'll see UR's popping up almost as soon as the edits are made, and thus will most likely be able to fix the problem before it goes live.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:39 pm

The map and routes are subject to editing problems and vandalism. There are few protections against this. We have been lucky so far that there have not been widespread issues. This is surely a negative of using a navigation solution that is based on community map updates.

I suspect that if we start to have more problems Waze will be forced to implement a better system to protect the map. They tend to wait until things become a problem before taking action.

The challenge for Waze is how to protect the map but not to prevent community map editors with good intentions from contributing.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby gettingthere » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:04 pm

neon-samurai wrote:Im really liking waze and its concept, even though my area isnt very populated with waze users. So far this is the only drawback i can see, users being silly (the few bad apples) and frustrating the regular decent waze community.

Shame they cant use google maps (due to terms of service violations) to keep maps mostly accurate (not sure if they can use openmaps or not though http://www.openstreetmap.org/ .. some other gps systems are using this).


Google Maps are OSM edited by the end users also, although via moderation or some other 'security' features. These same issues can occur with Google Maps and OSM.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby jasonh300 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:20 pm

xteejx wrote:Before it goes live? I'm not sure the auto problem reports are updated that frequently...


I've seen Map Problems come up before the changes go live. I saw it a lot a few months back when the updates were only coming every 30 days or more. I was able to catch a few things that a new inexperienced editor did before they ever hit the client maps.
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Re: Security and False reporting

Postby jasonh300 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:14 am

W. T. F. ???
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Re: Re: Security and False reporting

Postby Kuhlkatz » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:44 am

xteejx wrote:Ermm...not only is this an old thread


Nothing wrong with reviving an old thread with a brand new plot.
It didn't pan out too bad for Rocky, Rambo or the Harry Potter 'franchises'. ;)
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Security and False reporting

Postby neon-samurai » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:20 am

Im curious about the security and reporting of this application. I really like the idea and have been using it to map roads around me when driving.

But what im wondering/worried about, is if its possible for someone to say that a road is closed (major or minor) when it isnt.. thus disrupting everyones travel along that route.

i just want to know what measures are in place to stop something like this happening?

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