Apple to acquire Waze?

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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby Colonel667 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:12 pm

gettingthere wrote:It's apx. 30 million Waze accounts. This number is not active users. Waze has kept a very tight lid on the number of active users.

There already is at least one alternative - OpenStreetMap - http://www.openstreetmap.org/
There are some Apps available now that use this data. Here is an example: http://www.skobbler.com/



Well, then every active user created even more value on average.

Yeah, but that app isn't comparable to Waze. Also, to be honest, I think it's not even that good at what it's supposed to do.


OldGnome wrote:"Updated" for the most part, not "created." "Improved," yes. "Created," no.

Any individual who has been participating in moving Waze forward (who is not part of the paid staff of Waze) has been here as a volunteer. You knew that when you signed on to do whatever you have been doing. You cannot retroactively go back and complain that "I won't get compensated for my work."


Weren't the basic maps free? As far as I know, they were.

Of course I can complain if Waze is about to sell out that data. Just because I always knew that Waze has the right on the maps etc. doesn't mean I am obligated to applaud this data being sold.
I'd also complain if Zuckerberg sold Facebook (and cancel my account), for example.

Not to mention that as an Android user I wouldn't be willing to tolerate any disadvantages if a possible buyer would be Apple.
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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby Colonel667 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:33 pm

I'm not happy at all to read about those rumors.

Not just do I dislike Apple for various reasons, but I also dislike Waze supposedly trying to get $750m instead of "only" $500m, especially since the maps were created by us users.

If Waze sells for $750m and has 30m users, that's $25 per user. I guess at least $15-$20 average per user for the maps and statistical data alone, the client itself probably isn't worth all that much.

Actually I always wondered when Waze is going to sell our work for millions and millions of bucks. Once that happens, maybe we should try and get someone to start a similar project based on existing and open source maps...
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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby chris_debian » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:56 pm

Hi, bgodette.

Thanks for your reply. When starting to think about a project, it is useful to be realistic, but sometimes, this can border on pesimism.

Many projects start without a complete solution in place, and things have to be made-up as they go along. As the open-source community has demonstrated on many occasions, amazing things can be achieved if people are motivated. OpenStreetMap is a great example of this, and the underlying ethos is documented well in Eric Raymond's 'The Cathedral and the Bazaar', a text that you are probably familiar with.

On a fork such as this, the most important thing is getting together a list of what needs to be done, and then finding people who are keen to see progress made. Getting a mailing list started can be very easy, and as mentioned before, Launchpad or Sourceforge can be used to coordinate things.

If anyone was interested in a fork, it would be better to have tried and to have failed, rather than not tried at all.

I won't take-up anymore time on this thread, as this will go off at a tangent, from the original subject, which is poor etiquette.

Thanks again for your comments, though.

Cheers,

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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby chris_debian » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:18 am

Hi, all.

Whether it is 'idle rumour' or not, I don't like the idea of Apple buying Waze, and agree with many of the points that people have made.

I see an 'up-side'.

The Waze v2.x code was based on GPL (open-source) code, and suddenly when it went to version 3.x, the source was closed (and all GPL code removed). See the forum topic here:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16933&p=150861#p150861

The rest of this post is not meant to annoy the Waze developers, it is a natural discussion/ development around open-source code. Please do not be offended.

The potential up-side of Apple (or anyone else) buying the application, is that like many other open-source projects (eg Staroffice > OpenOffice (Oracle buy-out) > LibreOffice), the original code can be forked [0] and this will enable the application to continue, and potentially become even better than it is now.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28s ... lopment%29

OpenWaze/ FreeWaze, anyone? Probably a different name, as 'Waze' is undoubtedly 'owned'. Suggestions? All this needs is a webpage, so that the project can be coordinated (Launchpad/ Sourceforge), some volunteers, a mailing list and then we can work out what code we can use. How easy/ difficult would it be to use OpenStreetMap [1] data, instead?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap

Just a thought; if anyone is interested, this would need discussion outside of this thread.

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Re: Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby cherianchris » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:24 am

Spazinbc wrote:I can see them becoming Waze's Achilles heel.

I beg to differ. Installed it from Play Store and was shocked to see it running google maps. Waze Map of Chennai is the most up to date today. And no points? Any incentives? Didn't see any!

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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby cherianchris » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:31 pm

Hope some people in India noticed. I'm trying to increase Indian Wazers since today morning and got three. :-)
Hope tomorrow is better.. :roll:

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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby cherianchris » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:00 pm

Finally! Dear Sleep, here I come.. :smile:

But this entire rumor made me realise that "Nothing is Forever", except faith. Waze is bound to sell sooner or later. The more time Waze takes, the better for us Waze Addicts and OCD patients.

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Re: Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby cherianchris » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:22 am

banished wrote:I wonder how much I should bill Apple for all the effort invested into Waze?

Not to mention the millions of hours, put in by wazers, editing the base map.

Besides that, even if Apple were to acquire Waze, that would apply only for the self managing countries. In India, if Apple take over Waze, they will have the seventh largest country, in the world, with a Virgin basemap. Will not do much good to Apple IMO.

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Re: Apple to acquire Waze?

Postby CBenson » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:08 pm

Well then why do the term of use state:
When you submit Content to be published on the Service, you represent and warrant that you own all intellectual property rights in the Content; that you are permitted to publish the Content and to permit Waze to publish the Content and exploit all intellectual property rights in and to the Submissions. Waze receives no ownership rights in and to the Content of your Submissions.
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Re: waze please say no to Apple

Postby camrun91 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:04 pm

No one ever said that apple would change the app. I personally feel that if apple allows waze to operate as it has been only with apple backing financially and having access to the map system that it has great potential to make both a whole lot better.
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