Mark Moving Police differently!

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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Daknife » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:41 am

And all the challenges of accurately radar or ladar gunning speeders. The primary reason NOT to report moving police is that by the time the report appears on the map the officer is likely to be miles down the road. And every interchange and cross-over decreases the reliability of the report. Reports of stationary police are often only accurate for a very short time. Now you want to try to track moving officers. You also are assuming that the primary reason is to avoid tickets. While it is labeled "Speed-Trap" on the map when the warning appears, the biggest reason to report officers is for safety. Too many police are hit every year by drivers. Most states now have move over or slow down laws and these reports make you aware of a police car stopped so you can move over or slow down (both for safety and to avoid a ticket) before you get to where the officer is. There is no such benefit for reporting a moving car.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Daknife » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:56 am

Cut it out Andy, we all know you are doing it just to mock TXemt. :lol:
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Daknife » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:30 am

More likely it's not the same user but the same usergroup reporting the officer as he jumps down the road from ticket to ticket. Many officers will start out at one point and then each time the finish writing a ticket, they just turn on the radar gun and immediately tag the next victim. Easily resulting in reports "moving" down the road with them.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby CBenson » Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 am

I agree that moving police should be reported differently. That way waze can know to ignore the report. The reporters get to remain under the illusion that reporting a moving police car has any value and the map won't get cluttered with useless reports.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:33 am

Ok so yesterday morning I was completely stopped in traffic on a divided highway with two lanes going in my direction. A police car with its lights and siren on passed me on the shoulder (presumably going to whatever issue had stopped the traffic) and traveled out of sight up the shoulder. Within seconds a police alert popped up on the road a couple hundred yards ahead of me. How could this possibly be useful to anyone? What are people thinking?
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Bombebomb » Wed May 15, 2013 2:19 pm

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bombebomb wrote:Think of it like reporting a hazard in the south bound lane when you're in the north bound lane, sure it's not important to you, but it's important to someone in those other lanes.

Completely inaccurate analogy! Since when did a hazard or an accident move at 100kph down the road? A police report for a moving vehicle is useless within 60 seconds or less. There are just as many people, if not more, who have griped about police reports they've slowed down for which no longer exist. More often than not it was a moving vehicle marked and in 2 minutes they've made 6 turns and are a mile away. Utterly useless to report moving police.
The idea of the analogy was to show that it's not always the cars ahead of you (going in the same direction as you) that would be important, it would be the cars coming towards you. This was a rebuttal to Daknife mentioning you catching up with a police car going in the same direction being unlikely.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Bombebomb » Wed May 15, 2013 12:42 pm

daknife wrote:But you are forgetting one key point. Any report takes about 4 minutes to propagate across the network, so such a report is worthless. Do Not report moving police. By the time anyone else sees your report, the officer is likely miles away in who knows what direction, from the point of the report.

What if that officer doesn't like waze and notes the blue subaru with the cell phone mounted on it's dash, and the driver tapped the phone a couple times and then the officer's location popped up on his waze screen, is that couple taps on the device going to violate the state's no texting laws? It's not an easy fix, and it's not a logical addition. A moving officer inserts too many variables to be able to predict his location for more than a few seconds. Or do you propose allowing users to repeatedly post about the officer they are following thus increasing the amount of spam rather than decreasing it, and further distracting those drivers making such posts.

It sounds like a good idea but it is not. There is NO value in reporting a moving police car. You don't know if he's cruising to show a presence, moving to a site to set up a radar trap, heading back to the office, heading to eat, heading home etc. A moving police car is not a hazard to navigation. Further; avoiding tickets is NOT the primary reason for these reports, even if it is reported as a speed trap, the real reason is to warn of the hazard created by the officer sitting on the side of the road.

What good does reporting the lane do, when 2 seconds after you hit send, he changes lanes? Then twenty seconds later he's off at the next off ramp? Your report is now more worthless than the frequent posts as he bounces down the road from speeder to speeder where he is usually going to be sitting for 10-15 minutes at a time.

But again all of you posting what a great idea this is are ignoring the fact that the moment you hit send the report is sent, four minutes will pass before anyone else sees it, but even if waze manages to cut it down to 10 seconds, the instant you post it it's set on the map, and 2 seconds later the officer changes direction speed or lane and your post is worthless. If you are six miles away from an "in motion" police, unless he's just circling the same area you will most likely never see him, unless your overtake speed is so high that you deserve to get a ticket as you are a hazard to others.

Stationary police reports are often incorrect by the time they propagate across the network, and you somehow think moving reports would be an improvement?
I have seen multiple reports pop up in front of me, and even tested it with multiple cell phones I have never had a report more than two minutes from the first report. While some reports could take up to four minutes that is not something that occurs most of the time.

Waze has integrated voice reporting, if a particular person does not like voice reporting or does not work quite right for them. They can not report (since all of the reports they do would be illegal, police, accident, etc.) or continue breaking the law. The probability of a moving police officer seeing a wazer mess with his phone is substantially lower than a stationary police officer looking at each automobile which passes.

A moving officer does insert extra variables, however with a short 5-10 minute timer these variable are greatly reduced. If I see a moving report for police 6 minutes ago, I drive with in 3-4 miles of the marker and see no police I know he either hopped off an exit, pulled into the shoulder, or is sitting in the median. These possibilities can be narrowed down by knowing the area you drive.

Police are "never" off duty, if they are just patrolling making a presence and someone breaks the law, the officer will do the work he is required to do. Moving police can come at you, or be driving away from you. The police coming at you can clock your speed from the other side of the road. Think of it like reporting a hazard in the south bound lane when you're in the north bound lane, sure it's not important to you, but it's important to someone in those other lanes.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Bombebomb » Wed May 15, 2013 1:29 am

Adding a "moving" option to the police report section would be a great idea, many people would like to see this update in the future for Waze.

As it stands right now your options are to..
1. Not report and hope a wazer 4 minutes behind you does not face a ticket.
2. Report and hope the wazer see's the alert and uses caution a few miles before he arrives.
3. Report up and down the road, which looks cluttered and could be a spammer.

A simple and very quick way to fix this it to add a "moving" option, and then when you select the lane that would solve the direction. Just change the symbol slightly so it can be seen at a glance. What is being proposed is by no means a technical hurdle and should be very easy to implement.

Adding in a shorter timer for such alerts would also be a wise decision, maybe 5-10 minutes before they expire (that would be 5 to 10+ miles he would of traveled). This would also keep the map from being turned into a big mess of rolling police.

I know I am not alone in this idea and with the ease of implementation I feel it's worth a good look at, and would solve multiple problems mentioned already.

I posted in this thread instead of creating a new one because it was fairly recent.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby Anonymous12121 » Wed May 15, 2013 2:45 am

Marking moving police is a great ability to have, when needed. It's true that in general, stationary police are better to mark and it may not make as much sense to mark a moving officer, but if we have a radar detector or we can see that he has a radar unit on his dash, it would be great to be able to mark that he's there, that he's moving, and which direction he's moving in. The alert would then know to fade away after a short period of time.

The way things are setup right now, if people report a moving police officer (even though many people think they shouldn't in the first place, but people will do so anyways), it will both cut down on false/aged alerts, AND it will provide more useful information for when the alert is still valid and real. It's a win/win.

Being able to post which direction he's moving and having Waze alert accordingly is also needed.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby AndyPoms » Thu May 16, 2013 1:39 am

davipt wrote:
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CBenson wrote:I agree that moving police should be reported differently. That way waze can know to ignore the report. The reporters get to remain under the illusion that reporting a moving police car has any value and the map won't get cluttered with useless reports.

We could also use the same logic for Speed Camera Vans - put a "Mobile Speed Camera" report button in and it doesn't add a camera to WME, but adds a Police/Hazard Report.


I'd rather see the report camera option moved inside the map problem, next to the pave road, so people don't ever have the temptation to report cameras where they don't exist.

I support moving all the Camera reporting into Map Issue over what I proposed above (I just didn't have time to type that in this morning). However, we haven't been able to get any traction on getting it moved, so anything is better that what we have now.
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