Mark Moving Police differently!

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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby CBenson » Wed May 15, 2013 11:17 am

I agree that moving police should be reported differently. That way waze can know to ignore the report. The reporters get to remain under the illusion that reporting a moving police car has any value and the map won't get cluttered with useless reports.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:30 am

More likely it's not the same user but the same usergroup reporting the officer as he jumps down the road from ticket to ticket. Many officers will start out at one point and then each time the finish writing a ticket, they just turn on the radar gun and immediately tag the next victim. Easily resulting in reports "moving" down the road with them.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:56 am

Cut it out Andy, we all know you are doing it just to mock TXemt. :lol:
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:41 am

And all the challenges of accurately radar or ladar gunning speeders. The primary reason NOT to report moving police is that by the time the report appears on the map the officer is likely to be miles down the road. And every interchange and cross-over decreases the reliability of the report. Reports of stationary police are often only accurate for a very short time. Now you want to try to track moving officers. You also are assuming that the primary reason is to avoid tickets. While it is labeled "Speed-Trap" on the map when the warning appears, the biggest reason to report officers is for safety. Too many police are hit every year by drivers. Most states now have move over or slow down laws and these reports make you aware of a police car stopped so you can move over or slow down (both for safety and to avoid a ticket) before you get to where the officer is. There is no such benefit for reporting a moving car.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:06 am

Very doubtful, because as was noted above, by the time you make the report and it pops up on the map (it can be up to four minutes later) That officer may be long gone off the freeway, or flipped around heading the other direction, or he returned to a point before where you made the report. Further, while driving you shouldn't be looking six miles ahead. Personally I find the current warning distance too far out, half the time, dealing with traffic has distracted me enough that I miss passing the location and am unable to mark it "Not there" or Thanks.

When you first select a route, it shows you police reports along the route, that and pop-ups for still active reports are all the warning you are going to get. Reporting police in motion is an exercise in futility. When you pass that cop driving along (or he passes you) you simply have no idea what he's going to do, is he going to keep cruising the area as you are thinking he is, or is he heading to the next exit to get off the freeway and go back to the station, home, or to respond to an accident or other call off the freeway? There is simply no way to know and thus no reason to make such a report.

Do not report moving police cars, it is an exercise in futility and counter productive.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Wed May 15, 2013 5:51 am

But you are forgetting one key point. Any report takes about 4 minutes to propagate across the network, so such a report is worthless. Do Not report moving police. By the time anyone else sees your report, the officer is likely miles away in who knows what direction, from the point of the report.

The time to propagate is limited due to Waze trying to not overload peoples data connections. And the delay is also there as a privacy protection matter. Waze also delays how quickly a report appears to give a degree of privacy to it's users. What if that officer doesn't like waze and notes the blue subaru with the cell phone mounted on it's dash, and the driver tapped the phone a couple times and then the officer's location popped up on his waze screen, is that couple taps on the device going to violate the state's no texting laws? It's not an easy fix, and it's not a logical addition. A moving officer inserts too many variables to be able to predict his location for more than a few seconds. Or do you propose allowing users to repeatedly post about the officer they are following thus increasing the amount of spam rather than decreasing it, and further distracting those drivers making such posts.

It sounds like a good idea but it is not. There is NO value in reporting a moving police car. You don't know if he's cruising to show a presence, moving to a site to set up a radar trap, heading back to the office, heading to eat, heading home etc. A moving police car is not a hazard to navigation. Further; avoiding tickets is NOT the primary reason for these reports, even if it is reported as a speed trap, the real reason is to warn of the hazard created by the officer sitting on the side of the road.

What good does reporting the lane do, when 2 seconds after you hit send, he changes lanes? Then twenty seconds later he's off at the next off ramp? Your report is now more worthless than the frequent posts as he bounces down the road from speeder to speeder where he is usually going to be sitting for 10-15 minutes at a time.

But again all of you posting what a great idea this is are ignoring the fact that the moment you hit send the report is sent, four minutes will pass before anyone else sees it, but even if waze manages to cut it down to 10 seconds, the instant you post it it's set on the map, and 2 seconds later the officer changes direction speed or lane and your post is worthless. If you are six miles away from an "in motion" police, unless he's just circling the same area you will most likely never see him, unless your overtake speed is so high that you deserve to get a ticket as you are a hazard to others.

Stationary police reports are often incorrect by the time they propagate across the network, and you somehow think moving reports would be an improvement?
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby daknife » Thu Aug 01, 2013 5:11 am

wisedraco wrote:on my experience, it rides in the district - in example, in via baltic it move around 10 - 20 kilometres, then turn around, drives again 10 - 20 kilometres, again turn around and so on. based on that, i can easily see a benefit from showing moving police. for example, when one wazers report on map "moving police", it also choose what direction that police drive, and then, waze get average driving speed on that lane, and warn all wazers in, say, 10 kilometres from that point to both direction about "in that stage is moving police car" ?
i think, it is a good thing...?


It says none of those things, it says "At least four minutes ago someone saw a police car at this very specific point of ground." That is it. That officer may have had someone pulled over, may be sitting on the side of the road watching for speeders and other violators (both valid reports) or, he may have been cruising watching for speeders, cruising trying to do a slowdown, may have been going on a call, may have been going to dinner, may have been going to work, may have been going home, but most importantly was at this spot at least four minutes ago and is now most likely miles away (or kilometers away). So by the time you get this report the officer could, have someone pulled over, still be driving but four minutes down the road, may be at a call, may be at dinner, may be at the station, may be home, but most importantly (if the officer was moving) IS NOT HERE any more. A police report does not block out a section of road that may be patrolled, it says an officer is at this geographic point at some fairly recent but still minutes ago period of time. There is no value to navigation, there is no value to a rapidly outdating report(every second the officer gets further away from the point and each intersection vastly increases the possibilities of where he could go.) And too many false reports result in drivers just ignoring them, including the legitimate ones resulting in getting caught speeding and more importantly in not knowing ahead of time to move over and slow down for safety reasons.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby davipt » Wed May 15, 2013 11:12 am

All of the above, plus how could waze know the speed and where the police is going to? Maybe they slow down, maybe they speed up chasing someone, maybe they leave the freeway.

What has been suggested in some other thread, I think by a police wazer himself, was a Police mood so the police themselves (the ones that are trying to help by using prevention instead of pure fine-for-the-money), and maybe a wazer algorithm to announce the approximation to such wazer. But then people could abuse it by setting themselves to that mood. Either way, having the mood would be nice anyway.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby davipt » Wed May 15, 2013 11:34 am

AndyPoms wrote:
CBenson wrote:I agree that moving police should be reported differently. That way waze can know to ignore the report. The reporters get to remain under the illusion that reporting a moving police car has any value and the map won't get cluttered with useless reports.

We could also use the same logic for Speed Camera Vans - put a "Mobile Speed Camera" report button in and it doesn't add a camera to WME, but adds a Police/Hazard Report.


I'd rather see the report camera option moved inside the map problem, next to the pave road, so people don't ever have the temptation to report cameras where they don't exist.
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Re: Mark Moving Police differently!

Postby dmcconachie » Wed May 15, 2013 11:46 am

davipt wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
CBenson wrote:I agree that moving police should be reported differently. That way waze can know to ignore the report. The reporters get to remain under the illusion that reporting a moving police car has any value and the map won't get cluttered with useless reports.

We could also use the same logic for Speed Camera Vans - put a "Mobile Speed Camera" report button in and it doesn't add a camera to WME, but adds a Police/Hazard Report.


I'd rather see the report camera option moved inside the map problem, next to the pave road, so people don't ever have the temptation to report cameras where they don't exist.

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