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L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits  Topic is solved

Postby world_qf2vjzil » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:04 am

Hi L2+ folks

Could you please unlock:

https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280754336

There are a number of problems:
1. The geometry of the slip road (https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =280754334) into the Kilbarry Centre Retail Park is completely wrong (just verified with Dashcam footage)
2. There are missing retail/parking areas to the north which require creation and connection to the R709

If you unlock those segments - I'll make both changes and advise.

Thanks

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby davidg666 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:55 am

world_qf2vjzil wrote:Could you please unlock:

https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280754336

There are a number of problems:
1. The geometry of the slip road (https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =280754334) into the Kilbarry Centre Retail Park is completely wrong (just verified with Dashcam footage)
2. There are missing retail/parking areas to the north which require creation and connection to the R709

If you unlock those segments - I'll make both changes and advise.

Unlocked. Go mad!

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby world_qf2vjzil » Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:14 am

Thanks David

I've made the edits. I'm pretty convinced these roads:

https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280652274

should actually be commoned together into a single road - simplifying the junction with the R709 into a simple cross, with appropriate turn restrictions.

However, I just inadvertently overwrote my dashcam footage of the inside of the car park (by 20 minutes :x ) , so I can't be sure you aren't coerced to turn sharp left on entry - so I've just realigned the geometry and left the entrance/exit lanes separate - for now anyway.

Hopefully that's appropriate - and you can reapply the R709 edit level lock.

All the best - and thanks!

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby davidg666 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:23 am

'morning Doug,
world_qf2vjzil wrote:I've made the edits. I'm pretty convinced these roads:

https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280652274

should actually be commoned together into a single road - simplifying the junction with the R709 into a simple cross, with appropriate turn restrictions.

However, I just inadvertently overwrote my dashcam footage of the inside of the car park (by 20 minutes :x ) , so I can't be sure you aren't coerced to turn sharp left on entry - so I've just realigned the geometry and left the entrance/exit lanes separate - for now anyway.

I agree with you - and the SV images (from last year, so they're not too old) agree with you too. I've just replaced the split in/out segments with a single two-way segment, and set turn restrictions to what looks reasonable (no right turn in either direction, and no straight through from the shopping centre to the retail park (or the opposite).

world_qf2vjzil wrote:Hopefully that's appropriate - and you can reapply the R709 edit level lock

Cool - thanks. I've reapplied the L2 locks.

One question though: I notice the road changes from R686 to R709 at the entrance to both these centres. Is this the right change point? It seems odd that the road changes here. In face, the R709 exists on the west of the roundabout to the left AND on the east of the roundabout to the right.

Google calls this road the R709 all the way, but we shouldn't follow what that says. Looking at the SI with the R-numbers...

S.I. No. 54/2012 - Roads Act 1993 (Classification of Regional Roads) Order 2012 wrote:R709

Inner Ring Road, Waterford


Between its junction with R680 at Cork Road and its junction with R683 at Newtown Road via Inner Ring Road, Richardsons Folly, Inner Ring Road and Passage Road all in the city of Waterford.

I think the R709 should join the two roundabouts. I've made this change - what do you think?

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby world_qf2vjzil » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:36 pm

Cheers David

Tried opening that SI link on my mobile; big mistake :lol:

Anyhoo - I took a read of that SI - and had a look at Waze in that area, and I think the road numbers might be all over the place (there certainly appear to be at least a few discrepancies).

I'm down that way today - and I'll take a look at the signage.

I'm sure you are right that the road is R709 on either side of those centers.
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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby davidg666 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:10 pm

Hi Doug,
world_qf2vjzil wrote:Tried opening that SI link on my mobile; big mistake :lol:

Anyhoo - I took a read of that SI - and had a look at Waze in that area, and I think the road numbers might be all over the place (there certainly appear to be at least a few discrepancies).

I'm down that way today - and I'll take a look at the signage.

I'm sure you are right that the road is R709 on either side of those centers.

The SI is a bit hard to read and a bit ambiguous in places - it wouldn't surprise me if we have some roads that don't match exactly what they should be because the SI is hard to interpret.

There are a couple of newer SIs that define newer R-roads that have been built since that 2012 SI.

Anyway, yes, there are certainly a good few places where the R-roads aren't right. I occasionally find roads that should be an R-road (and have segment type "minor highway") but aren't, and occasionally find other inconsistencies like the one we're talking about here.

Feel free to point out anything that looks wrong and we can discuss further - and see if several people reading the SI can come up with something that looks right :)

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby world_qf2vjzil » Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:27 am

davidg666 wrote:Hi Doug,
The SI is a bit hard to read and a bit ambiguous in places - it wouldn't surprise me if we have some roads that don't match exactly what they should be because the SI is hard to interpret.

There are a couple of newer SIs that define newer R-roads that have been built since that 2012 SI.

Amen to that: Many years ago a law-student friend had the idea of indexing all Statutory Instruments, Acts and referencing legislation - and with myself and two other computer science friends, produced a ginormous book. They were indeed nothing if not abstruse.
davidg666 wrote:Anyway, yes, there are certainly a good few places where the R-roads aren't right. I occasionally find roads that should be an R-road (and have segment type "minor highway") but aren't, and occasionally find other inconsistencies like the one we're talking about here.

Feel free to point out anything that looks wrong and we can discuss further - and see if several people reading the SI can come up with something that looks right :)
++David

Having driven around that area today and read the signs, and also having read the SI, I conclude the following (haven't requested the editing magic wand; there's much L2 locking - so easier for you to amend where you agree):

This is R686: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =299136806

These are just Ashe Road: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,269221506

These should all be R675 Tramore Road: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280761671

Contentious:
The road starting here: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =280652013

and heading out to Tramore should also be R675 Tramore Road, but I can't determine how far out - potentially all the way to Tramore.

As a kid, I would have known it as the Tramore Road all the way out; of course, when in Tramore, you'd sometimes call it the Waterford Road :lol: :roll:

Waze seems to share that opinion of the Tramore end here: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =360964510 - but I don't know how valid it is.

Anyhoo - the earlier edits are definitely sound; and - back to where all this started - I drove the Kilbarry SuperValue car park and your single road in from the R709 works just fine.

All the best

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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby davidg666 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:29 am

Hi Doug,

Wow, hefty post :) - all sounds good though; I took a look to see:
world_qf2vjzil wrote:Having driven around that area today and read the signs, and also having read the SI, I conclude the following (haven't requested the editing magic wand; there's much L2 locking - so easier for you to amend where you agree):

This is R686: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =299136806

These are just Ashe Road: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,269221506

I scratched my head here and changed my mind a few times, but I agree with you, since the "real" R686 is two-way. If there was a one-way section of the R686 on the east-west part, then I'd argue that this one should be part of the R686 (so that users can travel in both directions on the R686)

world_qf2vjzil wrote:These should all be R675 Tramore Road: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... ,280761671

Contentious:
The road starting here: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =280652013

and heading out to Tramore should also be R675 Tramore Road, but I can't determine how far out - potentially all the way to Tramore.

As a kid, I would have known it as the Tramore Road all the way out; of course, when in Tramore, you'd sometimes call it the Waterford Road :lol: :roll:

Agree here - I've made it R675 Tramore Rd as far as the point where the speed limit changes from 50 to 80km/h. That was drivers in Waterford will be directed onto "Waterford Rd" until they're out of the city.

world_qf2vjzil wrote:Waze seems to share that opinion of the Tramore end here: https://www.waze.com/editor?env=row&lon ... =360964510 - but I don't know how valid it is.

I've done the same thing at this end - called it "R675 Waterford Rd" until the speed limit goes above 50, with the same reasoning - that somebody leaving Tramore and heading to Waterford would expect to travel on the Waterford Road.[/quote]
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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby TurbulentPriest » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:10 pm

davidg666 wrote:Hi Doug,

Wow, hefty post :)...

Happy Monday!

++David[/quote]
Sorry about the hefty post ;) ; all the edits look great though..!
Thanks for sorting them all out.
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Re: L2->L1 Unlock R709 Segment for several edits

Postby davidg666 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:44 pm

Hey Doug,

First: hey, it looks like your username change has come through (on the forum, at least), although it now looks like you have two forum accounts - one for each game.

TurbulentPriest wrote:Some distant day I'll hit L2 and not need to bother you and Yanis so much...

Cool - keep editing!

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