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Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby grinvaldsjanis » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:16 am

fotoroel wrote:If there come's a dialog with a question, it isnt automatic anymore ;)


Ok this problem is small and dealable. We can also avoid to ask questions and use only multiple repetitive expressions on acceleration/rotation graph.
Yesterday goggled about similar ideas. And look! - such data could be used for automatic suspension regulation - preventive preparation of vehicle for problematic conditions on road. Fantastic!
Why me and other users must use another application for that purpose if waze could take care of that?

Watch this. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-17482564

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/techn ... ide-125235

http://www.680news.com/2012/04/27/ford- ... -potholes/

Many cities already are using waze for traffic information. So let's give them info about real conditions of roads and spots of potholes as well!
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Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:20 am

The map in my city would just end up covered in pot-hole reports. And on the cobbled streets the app would be screaming at me!

This has been suggested before but I don't see it as workable, even the best phone accelerometers would struggle let alone the weaker ones. I also don't really see the need. As suggested above, speeds along these roads *should* already account for the road condition.
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Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby grinvaldsjanis » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:35 am

dmcconachie wrote:The map in my city would just end up covered in pot-hole reports. And on the cobbled streets the app would be screaming at me!

This has been suggested before but I don't see it as workable, even the best phone accelerometers would struggle let alone the weaker ones. I also don't really see the need. As suggested above, speeds along these roads *should* already account for the road condition.


Screaming? So You don't want to be warned about cobbled surface? Even in foreign city/town?
- Switch of that feature and enjoy joggling!
Application could warn only about highest level problems on road. You see, in turn we would release users from imputing Alerts about situations which phone can notice it self.

Your city? How many cities/towns are in the world and how many of them have wise council deciders as Your city has? You don't have an idea! I can tel by my town. We have potholes around but budget for road repair this year is 2 and more less then before. I imagine You driving around and shiting at every 100m. We are speaking in global terms here. Not everywhere is Britain where one London's skyscraper has budget of some small or poor country. People may travel around and they would feel very comfortable if they would be warned about conditions which could have relative value for locals. Pothole in my country maybe is crater or wheel-braker for You. Intelligent registrator of bumps and holes could make it more objective. Still some brainstorming, pre-work must be done to figure out best solution which couldn't be annoying or useless, but make ride even more informative and comfortable... for those who need that...as option.

Also there would be possible to figure out algorithm of registering severe accidents for example if phone feels very hard acceleration, but user is not responding to phones questions after folowing stopping of car. We could warn local community that PROBABLY accident took place. Also, I am not telling that this is simple or it must be made simple. For sure there must be certain sequence of events to be at least 80% sure that this is related with accident.
Would it even save some lives or health problems? - Tell me!
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Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:50 am

grinvaldsjanis wrote:Screaming? So You don't want to be warned about cobbled surface? Even in foreign city/town?

No, my eyes do a perfectly good job of that.
Application could warn only about highest level problems on road. You see, in turn we would release users from imputing Alerts about situations which phone can notice it self.

potholes that just wobble the car should not be reported. Those that are wheel-breakers you're likely to avoid and report manually so anything automatic wouldn't help.

Also there would be possible to figure out algorithm of registering severe accidents for example if phone feels very hard deceleration, but user is not responding to phones questions after following stopping of car. We could warn local community that PROBABLY accident took place.

There is some merit in this one perhaps, more so on remote roads
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Re: Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby Scorp42 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:42 pm

Also there would be possible to figure out algorithm of registering severe accidents for example if phone feels very hard deceleration, but user is not responding to phones questions after following stopping of car. We could warn local community that PROBABLY accident took place.

There is some merit in this one perhaps, more so on remote roads[/quote]

Again I disagree. Again you are suggesting a User have to interact with the device. And again, Waze already has a mechanism in place for it. If there is a hard stop and the User doesn't touch his phone.. Waze is going to see that the averagecspeed for that segment just dropped drastically, and create a jam. WhY does this need to prompt the User for anything OR require extra code/development/and QA time for a feature we already have.

Every single thing mentioned in this thread so far is already handled by Waze learning average speeds!

As for portholes.. come on now.. locals are going to go around them.. non-Locals will likely drive around them also if they are paying attention to the road instead of pressing even more pop ups in their nav app.

I personally vote NO for every feature that has been suggested in this thread. Waze already handles it, and the have better things to prioritize.

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Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby dmcconachie » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:02 pm

You see no merit at all in the auto reporting of an accident on a quiet rural where no one else might come across it?
Waze most definitely does not already handle that!
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Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby Scorp42 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:08 pm

If someone running waze (for an accelerometer to notice it) has an accident then yes, waze will already detect the traffic flow is running slower than the average, and create a jam.
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Re: Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby grinvaldsjanis » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:01 am

palmerit wrote:
dmcconachie wrote:
Also there would be possible to figure out algorithm of registering severe accidents for example if phone feels very hard deceleration, but user is not responding to phones questions after following stopping of car. We could warn local community that PROBABLY accident took place.

There is some merit in this one perhaps, more so on remote roads


Again I disagree. Again you are suggesting a User have to interact with the device. And again, Waze already has a mechanism in place for it. If there is a hard stop and the User doesn't touch his phone.. Waze is going to see that the averagecspeed for that segment just dropped drastically, and create a jam. WhY does this need to prompt the User for anything OR require extra code/development/and QA time for a feature we already have.

Every single thing mentioned in this thread so far is already handled by Waze learning average speeds!

As for portholes.. come on now.. locals are going to go around them.. non-Locals will likely drive around them also if they are paying attention to the road instead of pressing even more pop ups in their nav app.

I personally vote NO for every feature that has been suggested in this thread. Waze already handles it, and the have better things to prioritize.

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Yeah?! Right! And How about helping? How about not only warn but make impact on road providers, and make other effects unrelated with Your personal, "little world" interests? You will collect cents from little cheaper gas, but not help to someone when accident, not just soft tire or running out of oil happens around? But if such pop-up appears... You could save someone for real. It could also be too far to closest police or ambulance and city "jams", dense traffic. Don't want to inform that road is not only slippery, cobbled, dusty, but real killer for car or trouble some for sleeping baby? I am not talking about holes only. And please take in account development at different countries - absolutely new, reconstructed roads can change to moon surface quite frequently and You indeed will be soon tired to warn about all hazards there. Some situations could be felt by phone and registred...esp. if conditions are relatively permanent.

I really don't wish You to get into situation when You will just wish if such features would be available!

I Don't understand Your worries about extra codes/development if device resources grows every year and I'm sure that also waze enterprise is not getting smaller or less wealthy. Name these better things! Cheapest grocery? Cleanest toilet? - And You'll refuse to push one button to confirm that "This wasn't impact. Everything is ok! Don't send alarm!" and only after powerful (de)acceleration of device and complete stop of vehicle?

We are generating another feature here: First aid sequence wizard/helper. Waze users could use it at very stressful and first experience situation without searching in web or other aid application.

Try to play all possible scenarios and figure out how waze could be more helpful and if it's really so bothering and impossible to implement. I repeat again that some of bothering or "unnecessary" functions could be disabled. But real social users could appreciate these features.
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Re: Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby dmcconachie » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:54 am

palmerit wrote:If someone running waze (for an accelerometer to notice it) has an accident then yes, waze will already detect the traffic flow is running slower than the average, and create a jam.

I'm not talking about a jam. I'm talking about automatic reporting of the accident to someone that can help!
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Re: Re: Automatic registration of bumpy roads and potholes

Postby grinvaldsjanis » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:06 pm

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