Toll Road prefs and reallity

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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby BGS51 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:51 pm

Are you saying that because your preferred route is off the highway that when you're driving on it it tells you take every exit you pass?
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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby harling » Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:04 pm

Kuhlkatz wrote:The Wiki states that every segment that can't be travelled without avoiding tolls should be flagged as toll. This includes ramps or other roads leading to tolled roads.
It looks like this holds true for any segment type already connected to a toll road, whether it is rest areas or gas stations and possibly the parking lot segments or service road segments assigned inside these areas.

Yes: gas stations and rest areas in the middle of a toll highway, with no other (non-tolled) access, should be designated as toll roads.

Also, I believe the routing algorithm that keeps trying to send you to non-toll segments (cumulative penalty) has been found to be problematic, and is being revised. If handled like parking lot roads (penalty at transition), once you are already on a toll road it would leave you on it, unless you exited (at which time it would recalculate).
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Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby jfoucry » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:10 pm

Hello Folks,

My account is a old one (three years), but I really use waze since one week.
By default my pref is to not use toll road.

But last week-end I was tired and wanted to go home faster. So I decided to use toll highway. And the problem was that waze want me to goes out every time there was a road on the right. Every way out, but every rest area too. The way was clear, take the rest area then go back to the highway.

Could it be possible to add a "If you want to take toll road this time, I will override your prefs" feature.

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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby jfoucry » Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:59 am

BGS51 wrote:Are you saying that because your preferred route is off the highway that when you're driving on it it tells you take every exit you pass?


Yes, that right. Not only regular exit but also every rest area, gas station, etc. I can understand that waze ask me to use the regular exit, but I think there is something wrong for the rest area.

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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby jfoucry » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:26 pm

Kuhlkatz wrote:That routing behaviour would be consistent with what is expected of flagging toll roads.
The Wiki states that every segment that can't be travelled without avoiding tolls should be flagged as toll. This includes ramps or other roads leading to tolled roads.
It looks like this holds true for any segment type already connected to a toll road, whether it is rest areas or gas stations and possibly the parking lot segments or service road segments assigned inside these areas.


I don't know the algorithm behind the toll highway, but it looks like it knows that I have to turn right (or going to right) to goes out of the toll highway and go back to a toll free road. So every segment on the right "could be" an exit to free world.

I think there should be a difference between rest areas and out ramp.

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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby Kuhlkatz » Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:54 am

That routing behaviour would be consistent with what is expected of flagging toll roads.
The Wiki states that every segment that can't be travelled without avoiding tolls should be flagged as toll. This includes ramps or other roads leading to tolled roads.
It looks like this holds true for any segment type already connected to a toll road, whether it is rest areas or gas stations and possibly the parking lot segments or service road segments assigned inside these areas.

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Re: Toll Road prefs and reallity

Postby woodvale » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:00 pm

If you have the "avoid toll roads" option set, Waze will always look for routes that don't use a toll road for the remainder of the journey. The penalty for using a toll route when the option is to avoid seems to be so high that, we in the UK have experienced of Waze routing the wrong way along a one-way segment as the penalty is lower.

If you want to use a toll route, you need to unset the avoid option.



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