[Page update] Places#Closed

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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby Kartografer » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:53 am

I haven't gotten a response yet from anyone on the bug, and it was reported on Friday. They have been responding to many others. So as for resolution, I'd say if you remember which places have these hours in them, go ahead and change. Not a big deal though. It's still obvious from the names that they're permanently closed, and they only show open on one day of 7.
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby Mythdraug » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:53 pm

With there being some visibility into where ad pins are located, and the ad-team being being both more responsive and receptive to submissions without app screenshots. I believe we should be ensuring that those are removed prior to removing the Place from the map.

I'm not sure how to structure process for the addition (I'll leave that to the experts here), as I tend to check for a pin existence with scripts. But I've recently had good luck submitting screenshots of WME with those script-revealed pins and/or providing a link to news coverage listing multiple location closures for an advertised chain.
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby Kartografer » Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:54 pm

Wouldn't the ad pin supersede any info we put on the place anyway? Like if we named it [permanently closed], but there's an ad pin, wouldn't the permanently closed part be hidden? Or do the hours and description show? I haven't really tested this
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby Mythdraug » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:13 pm

I haven't tested that either. It doesn't seem like the ads are directly tied to a place. Was just thinking that in the spirit of making sure there aren't extra references to a destination, it would be a good practice to request removal the associated ad.
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby dfortney » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:11 pm

I wholeheartedly agree that if Waze has an ad pin at a place that is permanently closed, we should be requesting the Waze Ad team to remove the ad as part of the place deletion procedure.

I just did some testing -- the WME name, address, telephone fields appear to be overwritten by whatever is in the ad, and the description text and URL do not appear at all. However, the ad does have the WME hours and services.

So, there's no benefit in adding "(permanently closed)" to the place name, or any explanatory text in the description (other than to alert other Waze editors that the place is closed). However there does appear to be benefit in restricting the open hours to 1 minute / week, and waiting for ad deletion confirmation from the Waze ad team as a prerequisite to deleting the place in WME.
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby jm6087 » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:00 pm

I agree that requesting the removal of the ad as part of the deletion procedure would be good, but how would an editor know about the Waze Ad pin without BED? Are we going to require that an editor use BED to use the place deletion procedure?

Beside that, there is no real benefit to leaving the place in WME until removed from the ad IMO, the place could still come back in the next ad campaign by the place and cause problems again or Waze can refuse to delete the ad because of the contract.

I think that it should be only recommended that the editor confirm that there is no Ad Pin associated with the place if they can. As a general rule, the ad pin issues will have to be resolved on a case by case basis when URs lead us that way.
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Re: [Page update] Places#Closed

Postby dfortney » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:01 pm

Yeah, We certainly don't want a requirement to run a particular script to retrieve data that Waze does not make available via WME.

Perhaps an optional step - if an editor is aware of an ad, they should make a deletion request to the Waze ad team similar to any misplaced or otherwise errant ad they encounter. They could change the hours to 1 minute per week, and move to delete the place once they receive confirmation from the Waze ad team.
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