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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Kartografer » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:38 pm

sketch wrote:
Kartografer wrote:Alright, pretty sure I wikified what sketch posted above. As for the use of "Entrance" in entry point names, I just said it can be used where it makes sense and is not redundant. Phase 1, which is what our guidance is for now (unless phase 2 is coming like really soon rather than Waze soon), does not say "entries" or "entrances" when displaying entry point names, so I would figure that the word "Entrance" is not redundant unless there is a more descriptive word to use like "Door" or "Gate." Also, I added that title case should be used for entry point names, because it looks better and fits with how we name places themselves.

I don't think this is right. Phase 1 doesn't display the name anywhere in the app afaik, and the WME experience should not have any bearing on this decision. Since writing this originally I have come to believe the word "entrance" will be redundant. We shouldn't create double work for ourselves.

The name is displayed on the ETA card, as Ruben indicated under phase 1 in his first post in WME β. But I also dislike double work... We can discourage "Entrance."
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby subs5 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:29 pm

The instructions for adding a point don’t specify to check the main for the first one. Then it would help to say that the new points appear in the center of the AP and should be moved prior to making another that stacks in same location.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby sketch » Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:14 pm

We don't really know what "Main" does or is supposed to do, so we can't really address it.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Kartografer » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:23 pm

Yeah I'm pretty sure the Main box doesn't do anything in the app. I have changed the draft to reflect that. So where are we at on this guidance? Is it good? I added some images with examples in them.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Machete808 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:29 pm

Kartografer wrote:Yeah I'm pretty sure the Main box doesn't do anything in the app. I have changed the draft to reflect that. So where are we at on this guidance? Is it good? I added some images with examples in them.


I'm not certain of this part under Limitations:

As of May 2019, entry points cannot be chosen, whether main or alternate, and multiple entry points are not used in the following situations:

Add a stop
Alternate routes (The 2nd or 3rd alternative may lead to a different entry point)
Plan a drive
In the above situations, first entry point to be created (whether or not it is set as the main point) is used for navigation, and its name is not shown. Further development is planned, including a drop-down menu for users to choose to be navigated to a particular entry point of a place.


In my (admittedly limited) testing of alternate routes in particular, a different MEP was chosen from the one originally used in routing. My observation was that if you switched back to the original route, the designated MEP did not toggle back to the original one.

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that "multiple entry points do not function correctly in the following situations"?

(Or perhaps the behavior has changed since I last tested and the originally routed MEP does stick in these situations?)
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Kartografer » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:03 pm

That's fine. This information was provided by Ruben in the release notes, but I have seen the same thing, where alternate routes, at least in RBS, get a different entry point sometimes. How does it look now?
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Machete808 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 12:40 am

Kartografer wrote:That's fine. This information was provided by Ruben in the release notes, but I have seen the same thing, where alternate routes, at least in RBS, get a different entry point sometimes. How does it look now?


Better. I'm wondering about this phrase, though:

"A different entry point may be used in manually or automatically recalculated alternate routes, but its name is not shown."

I would have that say "....may not be shown." The different entry point HAS been shown in a manual recalculation in my observation (including today). What I saw was when I returned to the other route, the route passes the logical first entry point and continues on to the second, which makes no sense. I suspect the performance may be.... uneven.

In any case, we don't have to get lost in the weeds on this. This suggested tweak would cover it.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Kartografer » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:20 am

OK, I've not seen it that way, but I'm sure you're right. This part is especially unstable (even between routing servers it seems) so I made the change you suggested.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby Kartografer » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:58 pm

The revision has been moved to the main space.
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Re: [Page update] Places - Multiple entry points

Postby nzahn1 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:38 pm

I just want to thank everyone for the hard work on this. The guidance looks really good.
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