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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby Kartografer » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:53 pm

I fixed the U-turn thing; I'd forgotten about using the less parameter with that template. I also added a parenthetical note about one-ways
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby HBiede » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:12 pm

On bullet 8 of “Segment Properties,” I would propose a rewording to “in order of increasing penalty.” I find the increasing amounts part somewhat vague.
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby fjsawicki » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:07 pm

I even wonder if we should say "in order of increasing penalty". We can measure things like that today but have we received any assurance that those relationships won't be changed in the future?

I do think editors need to be warned that they shouldn't think the penalty on a PR is equal to the penalty on a PLR as we've seen problems when they make that assumption.
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby Kartografer » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:50 pm

I have wondered the same thing. Ultimately it's a bad idea to try to mix these transition penalties. And I'm not sure especially that PR will remain less than OR. We can take that statement out.
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby fjsawicki » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:44 am

Definitely a bad idea to mix. We had a gated community in Ga that backed up to a shopping center. All the inbound traffic routed through the shopping center because there was less penalty for the PLR.
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby HBiede » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:19 am

Kartografer wrote:I have wondered the same thing. Ultimately it's a bad idea to try to mix these transition penalties.


Might be worth having a short section to give a summary of mixed penalties?
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby Kartografer » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:30 am

HBiede wrote:
Kartografer wrote:I have wondered the same thing. Ultimately it's a bad idea to try to mix these transition penalties.


Might be worth having a short section to give a summary of mixed penalties?

Maybe I'm just tired but kind of blanking on what to write for that... "Be careful about mixing road types that have transition penalties"? Could you propose some better text for a section on that? You are welcome to add it to the draft if you like
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby HBiede » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:40 am

Kartografer wrote:
HBiede wrote:
Kartografer wrote:I have wondered the same thing. Ultimately it's a bad idea to try to mix these transition penalties.


Might be worth having a short section to give a summary of mixed penalties?

Maybe I'm just tired but kind of blanking on what to write for that... "Be careful about mixing road types that have transition penalties"? Could you propose some better text for a section on that? You are welcome to add it to the draft if you like



I was thinking something along the lines of a brief example for how mixing types can cause issues.

Possible:
“Be aware that mixing penalty levels can affect routing. For example, if the near side of a parking lot is accessible via a private road and the far side via a parking lot road, the navigation engine will prefer to route to the far side (the longer route) to avoid the increased exit penalty.”
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby fjsawicki » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:09 pm

possibly:

Don't assume that routing penalties associated with different segment types are the same. For example, trying to balance PLR segment penalties with PR segment penalties in a gated community or parking lot will usually lead to routing problems
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Re: [Page update] Routing penalties

Postby HBiede » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:59 pm

I just would like for there to be some sort of example of what a potential problem could be. Just saying “could lead to problems” just prompts a question that they then have to go back to their community to get answered.
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