New iphone version 1.7

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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby zebostoneleigh » Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:37 pm

In an ideal world (which we don't have and likely never will), every person in every car would be feeding data to a central database (like waze) of driving conditions. Then the averages would be as claimed (more accurate than the fallible human). Unfortunately (if you desire such an accurate GPS guidance system) such is not the case.

At the present time, the data Waze uses is far to sparse (at least in my community) to turn over all my routing choices to it (if my goal is speedy transit between two points that I already know... over terrain with which I'm intimately familiar). The theoretcal world where the compter's math ability trumps unformed human navigation is a long way off (not because the math is faulty, but because the data is insuficcient.

Waze learns - and for that I'm greatful. I hope it's learning from others, and I sense that I've taught it a thing or two (by driving routes that are/were better than the route it suggested.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby Shorty-CM » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:19 pm

I turned auto-lock off a long time ago because of this. I guess they could periodically poll the device to see if they're still blocking auto-lock. Or maybe they can't. Anyway, I turned it off and I don't mind hitting the button to lock it myself.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby pivale » Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:00 am

Is it possible to have waze still working in sleep mode (with the screen off after pressing the shutdown button)?

My problem is that whenever I get an alert or SMS, this seems to break the always on mode from waze, and iphone will enter sleep mode without my notice. It then breaks the GPS and data connections and I get lost somewhere 300km off-course (just kidding :P)

Just my 2 cents...
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby sketch » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:51 am

Some people like to take the long way home. With the alternate routes feature, Waze can tell you if the long way home is actually quicker because of traffic.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby Shorty-CM » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:20 pm

Like I said...
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby hallmike » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:01 pm

I resent that you think you know what I am and am not capable of. You don't know me so please don't try to tell me what I can and can't do, and what is or isn't over my head. I might be a mathematical genius for all you know, and that proves you don't know what you are talking about or who you are talking to.

Computers are only as good as the data that is inputted, and Waze's data is currently incomplete, inaccurate, and a long, long way from being correct. Until the day in the future when your Utopian dream of the perfect GPS becomes reality, I will always know my routes better and you will never convince me otherwise.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby Shorty-CM » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:51 pm

No, you didn't, because you started by saying something I said as if you were 'showing me'. Heh. You can think whatever you like about your own abilities. Computers still do better at math than you do. And you can't possibly hold all the figures in your head that are in Waze's database, even just your own driving data. The fact that you think you can is pretty darn funny. And proves discussing this with you is pointless since it is way over your head.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby hallmike » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:34 pm

Well, I did read your post, and if you think I repeated what you said, then you are contradicting yourself. I think you are speaking of a hypothetical time when there are thousands of people using Waze in my area every minute of every day. That scenario is a LONG way off, especially when in the last two months the closest Wazer I've ever seen has been 88 miles away in a different state. No one is giving Waze minute by minute traffic reporting anywhere around here, and therefore I know better than it does. You may not think you know your average speeds but I do. I've driven these roads thousands of times and I can tell almost to the minute how long it will take to get from one any point to another. People use me to judge their drive time for them. Just because you can't do something doesn't mean someone else can't do it. You have a rosy outlook on the future of Waze but your future scenario is a long way off and until then I know better than it does.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby Shorty-CM » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:35 am

Nice to see you didn't even bother reading what I wrote, since you just repeated things I just said, heh. Also nice to see that you're forgetting there are other Waze users out there, and each and every one of them will cause YOUR routes to be altered when they run into that construction and are slowed and delayed.

You know YOUR routes better than Waze. Waze knows the OPTIMAL routes better than you ever will, because you cannot know them. The fact that you don't even understand that is what makes me wonder why you're using Waze. Waze's sole purpose for existence is exactly what you think it cannot do. Tell me this:

Pick any road near you, any road you've driven on. Especially one you've driven on hundreds, if not thousands of times. Picture in your mind a cross street on that road. And the cross road directly after that one. Picture that segment of the first road only between the first cross street and the second cross street. You probably know every single house or business on that block. You probably know every single car parked there day in and day out. You probably know there's a little dip just before that third parking lot entrance. What is your average speed for that segment? Even if you know the speed limit is <whatever> and you know that you do your best to never speed, you can't tell me with 100% certainty what your average speed is for that segment. Or if you think you can, the likelihood of you being even fairly close is pretty small. Every single time you drive it something different happens. Every single time you drive it something can change how fast you're driving through there. You don't go through at exactly the same speed every single time. Traffic changes. Lights trigger at random times, and you stop or merely slow down at random times. Even if you go down there with your cruise control on, with an OCD-level of accuracy for setting it at exactly the speed limit. Traffic changes. Traffic changes affect average speeds. Waze knows exactly what the average speed is for that one particular segment of every single Waze driver that has driven that segment of road. You do not know that information. You don't even know that information for your own driving, let alone every single Waze user that's gone down there. Waze does. And it knows that information for each and every single segment of road that Waze users have driven on. *That* information is what Waze uses to determine optimal routes. Couple that with traffic reports, information that you have absolutely no way of knowing yourself, and Waze can give you minute-by-minute optimal routes. That's the whole reason it exists. Because this is not information you can know. This is, however, information computers can compute for you. Sorry to tell you, but like I said, you do not know better than a functional Waze. You can think you do all you like, but I'm sorry, you're wrong.
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Re: New iphone version 1.7

Postby hallmike » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:57 am

That might be true if, and only if Waze has correct edited data for EVERY segment of EVERY route, which it doesn't. Waze thinks roads are one-way if they have only been driven in one direction. It has phantom turn restrictions. There are numerous unconnected segments it has to bypass by routing around. Until it has totally correct maps with exactly correct segments, I DO know better than it does. Just driving around doesn't fix all the map problems in Waze - they all have to be hand edited and until that happens, I want to have it learn as many alternative routes as possible. The more alternate routes it knows about, the better it will know which way is the best at any given moment.

Not only that, but I also know better than Waze when it comes to things like construction zones. There's no way to make it understand that road construction takes longer than a few hours. I also know about things like traffic density changes based on time of day, temporary road closures for things like parades, VIP motorcades, races, or street carnivals. I know my routes better than any GPS, and I always will. I win, not Waze.
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