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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby DokJap091 » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:16 pm

thanks kazmuth. there are areas na malabo pa rin ang pinakamalinaw nyang reso. comparing the same area, mas maganda ang resolution ng google maps and also outdated masyado yung ibang tiles (dun sa bulacan area, may areas pa na palagay ko eh 2 years old na mahigit)

this ability to edit the map is both a boon and a bane. accuracy and consistency are both compromised. kaya pala hindi makakita ng route kasi yung mga kalsada, although it looks ok sa phone, sa map editor pala eh putol-putol and yung junction does not allow entry to the next segment. ibig sabihin, hindi pinagaralan nung nag-draw ng map kung pano ang tamang paggawa ng mga kalye. Kaya for routing, highly unreliable ang waze. For traffic updates, konti pa ang users dito sa atin to get complete traffic situations for your way to work or home or wherever. Kanina, medyo accurate yung ETA ko sa bahay, kasi nagaadjust din sya ng ETA kung nagkakaron ng heavy traffic sa dadaanan.

i hope the developers can integrate Garmin or Open Street Maps.
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby iceden » Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:43 pm

Hi guys! fellow wazer here. had Waze for about 3 months now and really addicted to it. been editing a couple of manila map areas now. hope to have more wazers around the metro! see you at the streets! :D
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby kazmuth » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:54 am

bangus236 wrote:thanks kazmuth. there are areas na malabo pa rin ang pinakamalinaw nyang reso. comparing the same area, mas maganda ang resolution ng google maps and also outdated masyado yung ibang tiles (dun sa bulacan area, may areas pa na palagay ko eh 2 years old na mahigit)

this ability to edit the map is both a boon and a bane. accuracy and consistency are both compromised. kaya pala hindi makakita ng route kasi yung mga kalsada, although it looks ok sa phone, sa map editor pala eh putol-putol and yung junction does not allow entry to the next segment. ibig sabihin, hindi pinagaralan nung nag-draw ng map kung pano ang tamang paggawa ng mga kalye. Kaya for routing, highly unreliable ang waze. For traffic updates, konti pa ang users dito sa atin to get complete traffic situations for your way to work or home or wherever. Kanina, medyo accurate yung ETA ko sa bahay, kasi nagaadjust din sya ng ETA kung nagkakaron ng heavy traffic sa dadaanan.

i hope the developers can integrate Garmin or Open Street Maps.


Mas malinaw yung sa google maps kasi google images yung nandun, mas ok yung resolution at mas updated yung maps nila. yung gamit ng waze ay Bing map images na medyo hindi updated at mukhang malabo.

Tama ka na kaya hindi maayos yung routing kasi kulang kulang yung streets at junctions, kaya una ko ginawa ay inayos ko yung mga routes na dinadaanan ko. ngayon medyo accurate na yung routing nya, although C5 at edsa lang naman kadalasan dinadaanan ko. pag wala ako ginagawa i try to edit the maps within my area. pag natapos ko yun sa ibang area naman para maging complete na yung maps natin.

kailangan pa dumami ang waze users dito sa atin at pati na din map editors para maging accurate at reliable yung information nya. unfortunately yung mga ibang users sa umpisa lang yata, after a while nakakatamaran na mag-edit or gumamit ng waze.

mukhang malabo yung integration with other gps apps kasi parang stand alone app talaga ang waze. ngayon ginagamit ko na lang yung built in gps nung kotse ko pag wala sa waze maps yung pupuntahan ko. nagustuhan ko yung real time traffic updates at routing nya, kahit na hindi pa ganun kadami ang nagrereport.

sa map editing, kailangan siguro may standard convention tayo na sinusundan para pare-pareho yung pagkaka-edit ng maps dito sa atin. For example, ommission of 'Street' or 'St.' from street name, unless hindi sya street like 'Road', 'Lane', 'Drive', etc. Another siguro is yung to use or not use shortened names like 'Ave.' for 'Avenue', 'Blvd.' for 'Boulevard', 'Hwy' for 'Highway', etc. This would be for easy searching of street names and accurate routing. may nabasa ako na waze treats roads with different names as different roads like 'Marcos Highway' is different from 'Marcos Hwy' and therefore may use a different route. Nakikita ko ito sa C5 when waze routes me to take Kalayaan Ave. instead of going straight to Market-Market because the roads are differently named. Another would be road types, which ones are major or minor highways, primary streets, etc.
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby kazmuth » Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:56 am

iceden wrote:Hi guys! fellow wazer here. had Waze for about 3 months now and really addicted to it. been editing a couple of manila map areas now. hope to have more wazers around the metro! see you at the streets! :D


Nice to hear we have lots of map editors around :) hope to see you too in my waze map!
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby dhageuk » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:17 am

guys, lets talk we are going to name roads and road types.
for example:
https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=14.47292&lon=120.9666&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTTTTFTTTTT
if you see the ramp going to bacoor, yung name nya is the road itself as well as yung exit. i decided to name it that way para sa traffic reporting na din. ok lang ba kung ganyan? also.. if going out of a highway i used a ramp instead, kasi magsasabi ng "exit at left" yung navigation guidance kung pupunta ka dun... any thoughts?
given that, whats the best name for this halimbawa?
https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=14.59221&lon=121.05995&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTTTTFTTTTT
also, i see <roadname> (NB) and also <roadname> N and <roadname> (N), which is pareho lng ang meaning. ano sa tingin nyo ang mas maganda and malinis tingnan?
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby kazmuth » Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:51 am

dhageuk wrote:guys, lets talk we are going to name roads and road types.
for example:
https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=14.47292&lon=120.9666&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTTTTFTTTTT
if you see the ramp going to bacoor, yung name nya is the road itself as well as yung exit. i decided to name it that way para sa traffic reporting na din. ok lang ba kung ganyan? also.. if going out of a highway i used a ramp instead, kasi magsasabi ng "exit at left" yung navigation guidance kung pupunta ka dun... any thoughts?
given that, whats the best name for this halimbawa?
https://world.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat=14.59221&lon=121.05995&layers=BFTFTTTFTTFTTTTFTTTTT
also, i see <roadname> (NB) and also <roadname> N and <roadname> (N), which is pareho lng ang meaning. ano sa tingin nyo ang mas maganda and malinis tingnan?


mukhang tama yung same name as the road itself + exit name, ganun din nakikita ko na ginagawa nila sa US freeways. dun sa isa naman, standard yung N, S, E, and W kaysa NB, SB, EB, at WB.

Isa pang question ko sana yun, kelan tayo mag-split ng road? ang hirap ng maintenance ng split roads kaysa dun sa two way lang
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby DokJap091 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:50 pm

kazmuth, sayang kung hindi gagamitin ang OSM kasi ang dami na ng mga kalsada dun sa pinas at ang mga contributors sa OSM ay mga GPS hobbyists talaga, who dont rely on online maps to draw maps. majority is from actual GPS tracks. waze is already using POI databases from other apps naman like foursquare, so sana lang naman marealize nila na mas madali iyon.

i actually promoted waze sa yahoogroup ng waypoints.ph. its a group of gps enthusiasts pero parang di sila interesado.

yung isang road na madaming segments kailangan lang yata siguraduhin na yung arrow at the end (when you click it) should be green towards the next segment. pag red, malamang hindi talaga iroroute duon. pero i checked yung sinasabi mo, parang may maliit na line na nakapatong sa isa pang line which is not connected to the previous segment dun sa intersection ng kalayaan/cp garcia. baka kaya nalilito sa routing.


@dhageuk it seems that we both edited the same segments :) pano kaya mangyayari nyan? taga cavite ka din?
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby dhageuk » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:54 am

@kazmuth
use thw old editor in splitting its easier.... split ko sya pag separating roads e
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nope... lagi lang ako dun hehehe
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby kazmuth » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:45 am

bangus236 wrote:kazmuth, sayang kung hindi gagamitin ang OSM kasi ang dami na ng mga kalsada dun sa pinas at ang mga contributors sa OSM ay mga GPS hobbyists talaga, who dont rely on online maps to draw maps. majority is from actual GPS tracks. waze is already using POI databases from other apps naman like foursquare, so sana lang naman marealize nila na mas madali iyon.

i actually promoted waze sa yahoogroup ng waypoints.ph. its a group of gps enthusiasts pero parang di sila interesado.

yung isang road na madaming segments kailangan lang yata siguraduhin na yung arrow at the end (when you click it) should be green towards the next segment. pag red, malamang hindi talaga iroroute duon. pero i checked yung sinasabi mo, parang may maliit na line na nakapatong sa isa pang line which is not connected to the previous segment dun sa intersection ng kalayaan/cp garcia. baka kaya nalilito sa routing.


@dhageuk it seems that we both edited the same segments :) pano kaya mangyayari nyan? taga cavite ka din?


Ito yung official stand nila wrt OSM;
Why doesn't Waze work with OpenStreetMaps?
We are committed to keeping Waze free for our end users who help build the system, yet we're a commercial company who's looking to generate revenue. When looking at the OSM licensing terms, we felt that they might limit us from certain business models in the future, and, therefore, decided to use TIGER maps instead. This may change in the future, however, and we are open to potential cooperation with OSM, and other, similar, services down the line.


siguro kaya di na ma-appeal yung waze kasi masyado na malaking effort ang nagawa sa OSM.

madaming roads yung convoluted yung pagkakagawa, may inayos ako na isang road lang pero 3 layers yung nandun na magkakaibang level, iisang road lang yun na magkakapatong. kaya pala lagi may problem yung area at humihinto yung routing.

dhageuk wrote:@kazmuth
use thw old editor in splitting its easier.... split ko sya pag separating roads e
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nope... lagi lang ako dun hehehe


as much as possible ayaw ko mag-split, para di mahirap i-maintain :D
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Re: Philippine Wazers

Postby DokJap091 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:55 pm

may wazers ba in visayas and mindanao?
kumusta naman ang waze map sa inyo?
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