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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:32 pm

Wajo357 wrote:
WeeeZer14 wrote:As far as I remember, that recommendation for parking lots is no longer true.


ok.. thanks

Correct. The wiki guidelines contain the current state of the art. But nice job searching and finding that/those thread/s!
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A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:38 am

Is it pronounced "you ess route nine double-u" by locals?
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:23 pm

Wajo357 wrote:
orbitc wrote:I like that...
OK let me know what your findings.
thanks.


Ok... I set it up.

I am trying:
Ave "S"
Ave 'S'
Ave S.
Exits 70: A-B
Exits 70: A - B (to see if the pause is longer between the A and B

Proper format for exits is covered in the wiki http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Road_Naming_%28USA%29#Exit_ramps_and_Entrance_ramps_.28on-ramps.29 ... It should be "Exit 70A-B: Street / City" or "Exit 70N: ...“ In this format they are pronounced "Exit Seventy aye bee" or "Exit seventy En"

For more TTS info see viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15178
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:56 pm

Wajo357 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
Wajo357 wrote:
Ok... I set it up.

I am trying:
Ave "S"
Ave 'S'
Ave S.
Exits 70: A-B
Exits 70: A - B (to see if the pause is longer between the A and B

Proper format for exits is covered in the wiki http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Road_Naming_%28USA%29#Exit_ramps_and_Entrance_ramps_.28on-ramps.29 ... It should be "Exit 70A-B: Street / City" or "Exit 70N: ...“ In this format they are pronounced "Exit Seventy aye bee" or "Exit seventy En"

For more TTS info see viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15178


You are right, I took out the colons to now say
Exits 70A-B
Exits 70A - B

My test segment was purely to see if adding the space between the A and B actually makes the voice talk better. I've seen it done both ways, but I can't recall which way is actually better for speech. Right now A-B is spoken as "AyeBee", instead of "Aye Bee". I'm hoping the spaces help. Once the test is done, I'll speak to some of the editors in the wiki and see if they are willing to go along with the change. We'll see. That's why it is a test segment :)



While you are at it please see if there is a difference with "Exit 70N-S: ...", "Exit 70N - S: ...", "Exit 70 N-S: ..." and "Exit 70 N - S: ..." to see about North/South etc.
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:05 pm

Wajo357 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:While you are at it please see if there is a difference with "Exit 70N-S: ...", "Exit 70N - S: ...", "Exit 70 N-S: ..." and "Exit 70 N - S: ..." to see about North/South etc.


Ran out of the max character number for the name field. Right now I have:

Voice Test: Ave "S" / Ave 'S' / Ave S. / Exits 70A-B / Exits 70A - B / Exit 70N-S / Exit 70N - S

This may not produce desired results due to it not being at the beginning of the string... Since we're getting daily updates to the map, it may be worth it to test a new name each day... But check it anyway...
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby AndyPoms » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:11 pm

Wajo357 wrote:ok.. I'll play around with it. You can do the same, if you have a house with a driveway.

I already have a test rig set up at work...
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby CBenson » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:49 am

Wajo357 wrote:152) Some punk ( ;) ) decided to mess with my highway and now it isn't working right...
https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=7&lat ... 0,70114761

Above is the path I take going home. It should say to keep-lefts 2 times, but I only got one when I went home. I think the second 'left' isn't 'left' enough and it thinks it is straight and therefore doesn't say anything. The segment needs to be angled more, along with the other 'right' segment.

I don't think its the angles. I'm thinking that the 2nd left from the no name segment to the next no name segment is the best continuation and isn't generating an instruction.
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby CBenson » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:19 am

At a split where all the roads segments are the same type, if one of the exit legs has the same name as the entrance leg, waze doesn't give a turn instruction if routing over that exit leg on the assumption that the route is continuing on the same road. This is touched on in the Junction Style Guide. There it states: To receive navigation instructions for both branches of a split . . . All segments must have names that are different from each other. In your case, on your route at the second split, it seems that waze is not considering the segments to have different names from each other because both the entrance segment and the exit segment are unnamed.
Also see the wiki for "What is the 'best continuation'?"
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby CBenson » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:19 pm

Sorry, I can't change level 5 lock either.
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Re: A bunch of requests... NY/NJ area

Postby CBenson » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:59 pm

Wajo357 wrote:In the past, I've accidentally tried routing into the city with 'avoid toll roads' option set. Since it couldn't find a non-toll route, it did use a toll road, but it used one all the way up north increasing the drive about 1/2 an hour. Why? Couldn't it have just selected the closest toll road?

I'd be interested if you could provide generally where the ends points of this route and what toll road waze selected. I have received the message that waze couldn't find a route a couple of times with the toll road avoidance on and would be interested to see when it does provide a toll route. Waze has said they are working on the problem where the only way to get a destination is by a toll route. Was it in the recent past that this occurred?
Wajo357 wrote:I'm now thinking that the toll road up north might have had less segments flagged as a toll than the ones in the city. THEORETICALLY, there should only be 1 segment per route per toll road. Thus the penalty would be the close to the same. However, if we follow this method, wouldn't the penalties be adding on each other?

The more I think about it, the more I disagree with the wiki.

Can anyone convince me why we should go crazy with the toll option flagging?

I was under the impression that the penalty was a one time transition penalty like the private roads and parking lot roads penalty, but have no evidence to back that up. If you are seeing the penalty based on the number of toll segments that would certainly be evidence to the contrary. I believe that the wiki language was written prior to actually seeing how waze implemented the toll road avoidance. I think there was some reason to believe that the toll characteristic might be indicated on the road on the map and, thus, all segments that you could only access by paying a toll should be marked. However, that does not seem to be occurring at this point.
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