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Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:04 am

scruffy151 wrote:
CrackedLCD wrote:In that case, why should we even label malls and other big landmarks anything other than parking lot, if they all look the same?


Now that parking lot roads are fixed I don't use parking lot landmarks anymore. You can add in extra roads in cases where a landmark may have been needed before.


You certainly don't need a landmark if you draw the roads. Except in the case of a mall, which is typically marked with a landmark anyway, and is so large and has so few roads compared to paved area, that both are necessary. Might as well make the entire mall and parking lot one big PLot landmark.

That's what I've done for every mall besides Edgewater.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:09 pm

mtlgab wrote:If the landmark goes beyond the building limits that would mean it will cover some parking roads but that is against the rules (see above).


Parking lot roads are part of the landmark, so that wouldn't apply. I actually put that section into the Wiki after discovering HUNDREDS of sloppy parking lot landmarks that covered the streets surrounding the landmark, making those surrounding streets ignore traffic jams.
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Re: Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:10 am

paulwelch23 wrote:
rbthomp76 wrote:I think it would be great if parking lots did not appear in the client. Can we have them on a separate layer? I think they present a better solution than parking lot roads (which can get pretty nasty looking especially along frontage roads).

(I'm very thankful that I haven't needed to use Waze to get out of any parking lots!!!).


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I completely agree with this idea. I think it would just confuse the average user.


I agree also. And the Parking Lot Roads could stand to be a lot dimmer in the client, like the Pedestrian Boardwalks. You can barely see those.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:24 am

mtlgab wrote:6- We are missing POI in the client. Once that could be activated the landmarks would be less important. We need to have at least the basic ones (Gas, shopping, police, fire, hospital, pharmacy, auto_repair, and a few others.)
9- I see many alerts from Waze regarding undefined gas stations. So for these landmarks we need to understand if the Gas Landmark suppresses trafic or if we need to edit Parking lot roads.


6. POIs are searchable in the client and have been for quite some time. They don't show on the client though and won't unless a landmark is placed.

9. Gas stations suppress traffic. That's never been in question.
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Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:44 pm

No. They come from a third party provider, just like everything else you search for on Waze. (bing, google, etc)
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:35 pm

CrackedLCD wrote:
jasonh300 wrote:9. Gas stations suppress traffic. That's never been in question.


Do you name gas station landmarks? I've been naming the ones that were put in to suppress traffic, but I think after a certain number of them are drawn it starts to clutter the map too much.


Yes, I name them. In most cases, that means one word...Shell, Exxon, Chevron, etc. Are there really that many gas stations in one area that they would cause clutter?
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:59 pm

mapcat wrote:In the USA, we're not supposed to be adding gas station landmarks. They imported a special uneditable layer for those.


Which neither shows the gas station, nor does it suppress traffic. The uneditable layer and the landmark layer are two different things and I really don't think one has anything to do with the other.

From what I've seen, the gas stations layer that we can't edit just has a gps point that shows the gas station, and doesn't cover any area that would suppress traffic.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:27 pm

paulwelch23 wrote:It seems that the only point for Landmarks in the USA are to indicate parks, large shopping establishments, gas stations, and stand-alone parking lots. Am I missing something here?


That's pretty much correct, except you forgot schools and colleges.

In New Orleans, I also map cemeteries and churches because they're a huge part of our history and local culture.

I only map parking lots if they're a repeated problem, and then I'll often get frustrated with the clutter and delete all of them.

I've noticed a lot of little rural graveyards are mapped from the basemap also.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:34 am

Right...that's all I can go by is "from what I've seen" and that is that there is no landmark for the gas stations...even the ones that come up in the search and give prices. They're not marked in any way on the map unless they're running a Waze special.

I believe it was dmcconachie that suggested we hold off on drawing the landmarks to see if they would automatically show up from the behind-the-scenes database, which they didn't. Waze inserted a "gas station" button in the beta editor and it's still there, several months later, so I can only assume that they want us to draw in gas stations. Also at that time, in the beta, there was a bunch of extra fields in the gas station landmark where different details about the station could be filled out. That never worked and got yanked pretty quickly, presumably because all that info goes in the other database.

From actually trying it out, the gas station landmark is no different than a PLot landmark, and hasn't had any adverse effects to the other gas station functions. As always, no info from Waze, just testing in actual use.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby jasonh300 » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:30 am

We don't like to use the speed-dial too often, lest we become a pain in the ass. However, I've just played my speed-dial card. Let's see what happens.
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