Road Naming (USA)

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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 04, 2013 6:31 pm

To support the Road Naming (USA) page I created a new page as a complete table of all states in the US. Each state row identifies the 3 different road type names that are currently different by state. I started the table with the data currently in the road naming page, but if anyone sees that a particular state is using a different naming convention please let me know.

I wikilinked each state name with the home wiki page for that state. If there was no home page I created a redirect from that page to the most relevant page for the state (typically the To Do list page). If anything thinks there is a better page to link for a particular state let me know.

I noticed on the New Jersey to do page the road naming convention listed the short form being adopted by more and more states recently. I am using that information as the basis for this table (and not the lack of that information on the road naming page) saying NJ is using the short form.

According to the Missouri to do page the short form naming convention is being considered so I updated the table for that.

According to the Oregon to do list, State Routes are ORxxx (without a dash). However looking across the state I am still seeing a lot of "State Hwy" names on roads, so I will let Alan comment on what should be in the table for now.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 04, 2013 3:49 pm

There is another thread discussing concurrent road names. We have decided to update this Wiki section to reflect the result of that discussion. I have asked that thread to move the conversation on the Wiki changes here.

Here is the new section on Road Naming with concurrent names.

Part of this content was in the Interstate section, so I moved that to this section since it also applies to highways and other numbered routes (not just interstates).

If anyone believes the content should be somewhat different please report back here so we can discuss.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri May 03, 2013 4:11 am

milkyway35 wrote:I know it is a US page, but lot of user find this page first.

Could you please add something to explain that highways can go thru a Town ?

Here, the streets definition : Usually for local travel within a town.

Most users think that all Roads inside a town must be set as Primary street even If the road is a Highway. That lead to a non-continuity of the Highway network.

I presume you are actually referring to Road Types (USA).

When I read the current content on that page for Minor Highway, I believe it already addresses your concern. If you don't think so please provide some propose change you think would improve the text to address your concern.
Wiki - Minor Highway wrote:While still a labeled route that can be followed to get from one city/town/neighborhood to another, routing of thru traffic is not always a priority in the street design. Some minor highways are built with a higher priority on through traffic, while other minor highways are nothing more than a label dropped onto existing residential streets.

Minor Highways vary widely from large multi-lane roads with stoplights and higher speed limits, to small residential streets with stops signs.

Some minor highways may zigzag thru an area with many turns on local streets.

A Minor Highway thru the main street of a small town often retains focus on local access with pedestrian traffic and on street parking.

As a good note, remember that in major construction zones for Highways under construction, often Waze will try to route you through the construction, as if its the only route, since it prefers highways.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu May 02, 2013 4:57 pm

milkyway35 wrote:I know it is a US page, but lot of user find this page first.

Could you please add something to explain that highways can go thru a Town ?

Here, the streets definition : Usually for local travel within a town.

Most users think that all Roads inside a town must be set as Primary street even If the road is a Highway. That lead to a non-continuity of the Highway network.

I think this is a good idea. I will take a look at adding something.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 05, 2013 8:37 am

I created a Shield Generation Error Examples thread for us to post examples of shield generation errors that also show shields generated on adjacent segments with identical settings.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:00 pm

skbun, at the 2013 meetup we did discuss this and we did make two conclusions. 1) We know shields are still working in some areas and not in others. Waze is unsure why this is happening, but would look into it. 2) Waze was going to work on an interim step on shield generation to give us the ability to link the shield to the primary name at a minimum. They might be able to link it to secondary name, but they have a bigger project for the final solution.

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skbun wrote:That said...we can name roads whatever we like because it has nothing to do with shields, and changing a street or altstreet name will not change a segment's ID or other properties on that segment.


was not my understanding.

That being said we have other thread discussing the renaming to the shortened names including the ones you have listed below. I am a big supporter of that shortened naming, but we all agreed to not make any major changes until we heard from Waze on the shield generation.

I propose we hold a few more weeks to let Waze respond and then we take action on what change we propose.

(Full Disclosure: this morning before you posted this I made an edit to the above wiki page to remove a note that we do not name US Highways as "US-xx" because that is untrue in much of the country.)
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby KB_Steveo » Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:41 am

I know this thread is kind of old now, but... I've noticed a number of times you guys mention trying to lessen space used, and trying for brevity when possible and making TTS less wordy, etc. That being said, can we change the wiki so that "Exit to Kindergarten Ct" will not do?

Sorry, I don't have any ramps in my area named that way, so I'm not sure if the "new & improved voice guidance" has changed it, but it drives me nuts when I hear "Exit to Exit to Kindergarten Court" or "Exit right to Exit to Kindergarten Court" instead of just "Exit right to Kindergarten Ct"

(Maybe just keep it for LH exits so you get "Keep left to exit to Kindergarten Ct" if the consensus says to keep it at all?)
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby HavanaDay » Tue May 14, 2013 4:04 pm

Just a general question about the K-XXX. Is that how the roads are labeled out that way. Garmin might have me trained, but aren't most states abbreviated with the State Postal code (IE NC-XX, PA-XX, VA-XX, FL-XX, GA-XX)?
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby HavanaDay » Fri May 10, 2013 5:25 pm

@Cbenson - Yes you dang northerns are always coming to our beaches :D (Spoken as a former Yankee)

@Kent - yes that is the way all the signs I have seen them look like. Distance to signs also tend to say NC-XX 12 miles

@skbun - That is probably what is most appropriate.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby HavanaDay » Fri May 10, 2013 1:50 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:HavanaDay, are there some roadside images you might be able to post to show the local road signs with NC-xx, vs. the more typical SR-xx used in the other states?

I am unclear what your are asking for are your looking for some sort of sign that says NC-XX on the actual sign. If that is the case I will go hunting for one but what we would normally see is the like here in the wiki link:

What about the County Highway format being SR XXX that I believe will translate to "State Route XXX" with TTS? That one does not make sense to me unless you are saying that since the NC DOT manages those roads they are called "State Routes".

As stated in a post before this one roads will have an actual road name attached to them (ie Gibbons Rd instead of SR-XXXX). I believe there are some cases in the mountains and the coast that are actually named State Road XXXX but are not signed with anything.
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