Road Naming (USA)

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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 04, 2013 3:49 pm

There is another thread discussing concurrent road names. We have decided to update this Wiki section to reflect the result of that discussion. I have asked that thread to move the conversation on the Wiki changes here.

Here is the new section on Road Naming with concurrent names.

Part of this content was in the Interstate section, so I moved that to this section since it also applies to highways and other numbered routes (not just interstates).

If anyone believes the content should be somewhat different please report back here so we can discuss.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 04, 2013 6:31 pm

To support the Road Naming (USA) page I created a new page as a complete table of all states in the US. Each state row identifies the 3 different road type names that are currently different by state. I started the table with the data currently in the road naming page, but if anyone sees that a particular state is using a different naming convention please let me know.

I wikilinked each state name with the home wiki page for that state. If there was no home page I created a redirect from that page to the most relevant page for the state (typically the To Do list page). If anything thinks there is a better page to link for a particular state let me know.

I noticed on the New Jersey to do page the road naming convention listed the short form being adopted by more and more states recently. I am using that information as the basis for this table (and not the lack of that information on the road naming page) saying NJ is using the short form.

According to the Missouri to do page the short form naming convention is being considered so I updated the table for that.

According to the Oregon to do list, State Routes are ORxxx (without a dash). However looking across the state I am still seeing a lot of "State Hwy" names on roads, so I will let Alan comment on what should be in the table for now.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun May 05, 2013 6:56 am

bigbear3764 wrote:kent, can we get Illinois State Hwy XXX changed to State Rte XXX. A few of us talked, just never updated our Wiki page. This was our thread on it: viewtopic.php?f=253&t=39248

Done
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu May 09, 2013 6:16 am

I sent a PM to Skapur1 to comment in this thread on an edit made to the Road Naming by State page in the Wiki Saturday. The change was for North Carolina from the current standard to:

State Hwy = NC XXX
County Hwy = SR XXX

Reason given: County roads are maintained by the state DOT in North Carolina.

I believe changing this page of the Wiki requires consensus with the other state editors. Unilateral changes should not be done without some discussion here or a notation that conversations have taken place with the other editors.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu May 09, 2013 8:09 pm

HavanaDay, are there some roadside images you might be able to post to show the local road signs with NC-xx, vs. the more typical SR-xx used in the other states?

What about the County Highway format being SR XXX that I believe will translate to "State Route XXX" with TTS? That one does not make sense to me unless you are saying that since the NC DOT manages those roads they are called "State Routes".
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri May 10, 2013 2:38 am

vectorspace wrote:With the knowledge expressed in this forum so far, are we going to a state-by-state naming convention?

I believe that is a true statement. The justification for that was because the current method is identified in the Wiki we are proposing a pretty significant change with wide-reaching implications. For that reason, if a particular state's primary editors believe the short convention (or even some alternate convention) is desired, then they can post that proposal and with consensus make the change.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri May 10, 2013 3:00 pm

HavanaDay wrote:I am unclear what your are asking for are your looking for some sort of sign that says NC-XX on the actual sign. If that is the case I will go hunting for one but what we would normally see is the like here in the wiki link:

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I see the driver will only see the number on the road, so we are open to any prefix that matches what the locals would know. What I mean is if you are not local to NC, you have no idea what prefix to expect, but for what is on the road sign. Therefore I see no problem with NC-XXX based on this information.

HavanaDay wrote:As stated in a post before this one, roads will have an actual road name attached to them (ie Gibbons Rd instead of SR-XXXX). I believe there are some cases in the mountains and the coast that are actually named State Road XXXX but are not signed with anything.

What I think I am hearing is we probably need to make a note that there are no roads that are numbered for the county roads since they all have displayed signs with names, not numbers. However there may be exceptions. Maybe we can find an image of an exception to review and decide for those remote conditions?
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 11, 2013 3:22 am

The idea of this discussion thread was to determine what standard is being used in each of the states. Remember that our primary mission is to always show the driver something that should match what they see on the road. If information is not present, then local editors familiar with that state voice their opinion as to what people will recognize and translate from a Wiki direction to a roadway sign.

If each state is using completely different signs and naming conventions, I don't think it helps to have Waze use one universal convention that matches none of the states. So I think we are on the right path, but let us be cautious of simply having one editor state an opinion and then that becomes the norm. The idea was to confirm with other state editors and come to a consensus before we make a change to the Wiki guidance.

And yes the current table was derived from the default Wiki direction of spelling out the State Hwy xxx and State Rte xxx, while a number of states already determined the shorter SR-xxx was much better in reading the navigation instructions on longer exit and roadway names.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 11, 2013 5:42 pm

mapcat wrote:Agreed. So, then, I reiterate that the default in the chart ought to be what the locals call the roads, if that is known; otherwise it should default to the name given in the basemapped roads. As the table now stands, an editor seeking to correctly name the roads in Pennsylvania would see that State Hwy XXX was the standard instead of the State Rte XXX that came with the basemap (and which, in my experience, more closely resembles the locals' names for the numbered roads).

I think we are on the same page. To get where you propose we just need a local editor to make the case for what the roads are called locally. My point of default was pertaining to what the Wiki had listed. We brought this up because many of us do not think the universal standard as listed in the Wiki is actually universally standard. If you propose to change the Wiki to what you find in the state from the Basemap data, I think that is a good idea if we don't get an editor to chime in for that state.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat May 11, 2013 7:41 pm

We are starting with the active editors in the forums. Then we can start reaching out to each state.
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