[New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby PesachZ » Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:03 am

kentsmith9 wrote:DL, great work keeping this page active and up to date.

What do you think about removing the construction template? IMO I think it is solid enough that you don't need that template. If your objective is to give users a link to this forum, you can easily include a link in the opening paragraph.

Additionally I recommend linking to this forum from the discussion page using the {{ForumLink}} template.
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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 8:09 pm

DL, great work keeping this page active and up to date.

What do you think about removing the construction template? IMO I think it is solid enough that you don't need that template. If your objective is to give users a link to this forum, you can easily include a link in the opening paragraph.
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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:44 pm

This page has now been moved to "Edits to avoid (USA)".

The move automatically generated a redirect from "Incorrect edits", so no links were broken in this process.

I have updated a number of redirects to point directly to the new name. However, there are a number more outside the core wiki, including some in user spaces and others belonging to other countries, that I felt uncomfortable adjusting. These will still work of course, just with double redirection.
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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby PesachZ » Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:12 am

When you do change the name, please leave all existing names and redirects inplace, and modify them to point to the new page. This way we don't orphan any existing links or bookmarks people may be using.

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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby CBenson » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:12 pm

My preference in order from most prefer to least prefer is 3, 2, 1, 4.
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Re: [New Page/USA] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:30 pm

The Incorrect Edits article has been withdrawn from the Global Wiki. It is now a USA-only article. As a result, we must change the article title to include USA.

This is a great opportunity to revisit the name of this article. Though I originally named it "Incorrect Edits" I've never been especially happy with that title. At the time it seemed less negative than "Common Editing Mistakes", but I'm not sure there's really much difference.

Over time several editors have suggested a change in tone throughout to make this more of a quick-start guide for those looking to improve their skills than a simple list of not-to-do for those who have not yet digested (or possibly even seen) the full wiki. I've always resisted that, for reasons I've stated several times.

However, I am definitely open to changing the title to something more reassuring. Here are some thoughts off the top of my head.

Please note I am talking about the actual title that readers see at the top of the article. Of course any and all of these can be redirects, and at least one already is. The question here is the article's primary title.

1. Common editing mistakes/USA (based on a phrase familiar to US editors).
2. Oops! Common editing mistakes/USA (more lighthearted)
3. Edits to avoid/USA
4. Incorrect edits/USA (existing title)

I currently lean towards #3 but am glad to consider alternatives.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby benandjerry » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:28 am

PacmanNW wrote:I love this page. Of all the wiki pages, I found this one to be the most relevant and helpful when I first started editing. As I progressed to more complex issues, I went on to many other wiki pages, but when just starting, this page was very relevant.
....

....Upon doing so, I pretty much wish it was the first page I read. I think it is very well-written, well-paced, and provides good, clear, and relevant examples of the most common 'beginner' mistakes (we all made them).

......

In summary, I think it is a fantastic page. I found it very helpful when starting (I have always been the 'jump in and figure it out as you go' type) and as such have sent it to other new editors -

Bottom line: It's probably my favorite page, but I really think the first sentence (and by extension the second and third) needs to be fixed, altered, or changed (only my opinion of course).

Maybe to something like: This page covers some of the most common mistakes and errors that we all have made.



This post pretty much sums up my feeling about the "incorrect edits" wiki page!!!!
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby DwarfLord » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:18 pm

The lead-in paragraphs of the article have been changed, with additional adjustments. Unless wiki functionality has changed recently, one will need to be logged into the wiki to see the changes, at least for some number of weeks.

Thanks very much indeed to those who pointed out the shortcomings in the previous language. You've helped improve the article for everybody who comes across it.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby voludu2 » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:42 am

I agree. Keep it simple and to the point, get the correct information out ASAP. Keep the other editor on your side. Reduce the risk of drama and cut to the chase.
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Re: [New Page] Responding to incorrect edits

Postby PacmanNW » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:18 pm

DwarfLord wrote:Let me know if this comes across as more helpful and understanding.

Alternative Incorrect Edits lead-in wrote:
This article reviews the most common editing mistakes in Waze. For those new to the [[Waze Map Editor]] (WME) it describes these mistakes and how easy it is for anyone starting out to make them. For advancing editors and Area Managers, it describes how best to respond to the mistakes when they are discovered. Finally, it discusses productive ways for new editors to contribute with minimal risk.

Incorrect edits are a natural part of Waze

Waze created the WME with the desire to attract as many editors as possible. To this end, the WME allows anyone to change the map quickly and easily without reading, training, practice, or tests.

Beneath the WME's attractive and welcoming exterior, however, lies cutting-edge technology. The WME provides expert tools that behave differently depending on minute and often invisible details. Under some conditions the WME behaves counterintuitively and trips up experts and beginners alike.

This situation guarantees that no editor will escape the WME unscathed. We all make mistakes, and lots of them.

This article discusses three categories of typical confusion: misunderstood principles, functional mistakes, and misunderstood conventions. Before discussing those, however, it's critical to bring up one kind of incorrect "edit" that is worse than all the others put together.


That is a lot better in my opinion.

Like I said before, I like the page and the content - I think it is very relevant. My only thought was maybe just a little more nuance with the presentation, like you just did.

I know I personally don't take, "You are wrong," nearly as well as I can handle, "I think you might be wrong..." :roll: Subtle maybe; but just my thoughts.
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