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Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:02 am
by qwaletee
Sketch,

Please read through the transcript. Our context was that the closure tool was available, and we assumed it COULD be used. So the availability of the closure sheet changes nothing regarding that discussion.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:41 pm
by qwaletee
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Mega-events use the same mechanism on the routing server, just a different interface for reporting them. This wasn't about ease of use of the reporting mechanism, it was about effectiveness and consequences. I didn't trust the mechanism until it has been proven over a longer period. Although we were arguing vociferously about it, it turned out that Marc and I had similar positions, though he was more worried about wasted miles where there are limited routes.
sketch wrote:Wrong. The context was that the closure tool was not available. (Before you say anything, yes, I read through the transcript. I even copied it to a document so I don't have to waste 20 minutes scrolling to find something I already knew.)

At that time, the only way to get a proper closure was to submit a mega traffic event. The only thing I agreed would merit a disconnect was a closure on a major road if the mega traffic event was denied or reasonably expected to be denied. Anything on minor roads, time-based restrictions would do. Anything very major, a mega traffic event should be submitted.

That's no longer an issue, because we have the closure sheet, which specifically handles all closures. So we use the closure sheet for everything now, and there is no longer any reason to disconnect segments. Period.

That discussion was June 23-24; the closure sheet was created June 29.

Even then I said that disconnecting roads shouldn't be in the Wiki.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:16 pm
by qwaletee
Looked reasonable. Could use some touch-ups for style or clarity, but let's do those after it is live. 80/20, perfect/possible, yada/yada

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:32 pm
by qwaletee
Seems too obvious to me. Have you seen evidence that this is being done? We don't need to "legislate" every last possible behavior.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:14 pm
by qwaletee
I would. Sounds like we're getting too nitty-gritty. If there are a couple of editors who don't get it, probably better to contact them directly rather than adding bulk to the wiki.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:58 pm
by qwaletee
Agree with voludu. In the lede, cover the basics of what it can accomplish, who has access, and refer to the alternatives. Add a note saying the remainder of the article covers details that will not be relevant to most editors.

Also, perhaps simplify language of the message box - something like "Only use when a road is impassable, not if traffic is impacted bu the road is still open."

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:34 am
by qwaletee
Well, for the other side of safety, it actually presents a problem. In the past week, we had one event where the closure server went down, and drivers were being routed through closed segments. OTOH, since closures are real-time, that's safer than waiting possibly days for a tile update. Also, false positives can lift the closure inappropriately (e.g., construction worker who forgot to turn off Waze when he reached the site, mis-snapped drivers, bad GPS data).

Note also that in the sense you are primarily using it - data preservation - it is only safer than a disconnect or hard turn restrictions.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:12 am
by qwaletee
Do you have all that verified? Or is this opinion?

For example the info on % of usual traffic density verified? Because I saw a closure lifted with what seemed like very little traffic locally to me. I guess it was a % - you know the old joke, zero is a number, too.

And don't be so sure about snapping either. We know that the detailed analysis takes place in the drive update server, which is not real-time. We know closure lifts are real time.

And automatically reinstated closures? This is absolutely the first I am hearing about them.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:24 pm
by qwaletee
Thanks, that's informative, and not even that vague.

Re: [Update] Road Closures

Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:41 am
by qwaletee
Voludu,

I think you misread that. It wasn't about whether or not Waze will route through closed roads. It is about whether Waze may incorrectly perceive that a road has opened due to false positive traffic.