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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:29 pm

I don't think the gas prices feature is that obvious or easy to use.
I really like the idea of "find gas prices along my route", but don't wind up using it much myself...

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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:30 pm

OK. I misunderstood your initial post, on account of being a newbie. I think the concept of "suppress reports" is what I was tripping over. You don't want waze to think they are doing 0 miles per hour on some nearby road while they are pumping gas, using the restroom, or waiting for their shortie hoagie.
I would suggest a little rewording around "suppress" for that reason. I made explicit that the convenience store, car wash, etc, are to be included if they are part of the same business. I think that should help. And I think it is worth getting at least this first paragraph up there even before you are certain of the rest of it.

-Gas station places should be drawn to the fenceline / curbline and should include all parking lots, convenience store buildings, car washes, etc, that are a part of the same business. Reasoning: Most stations are small, stretching them to the limits should make them more visible on the client. Also Gas station areas are supposed to suppress some forms of automated reports. By covering the whole area we suppress reports of people who park away from the pumps and get coffee with Waze running, in addition to those who just pump gas.

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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:32 pm

So if there is a convenience store in that parking lot, should "entire parking lot" also include the convenience store?

And is there any reason why someone sitting in a gas station parking lot cannot find any nearby gas stations when using the gas station feature?

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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:55 pm

Thanks for your work on a new page for gas station creators. This represents a change in how gas station/convenience stores are currently mapped out (at the moment, the entire Wawa parking lot is typically included in the area place), so I think it would be useful to put your article on the wiki right away, and make sure that those reading the current article on gas station can get to the new information on the best way to map a gas station.

I have two recent user reports in PA from users who are unable to find any nearby gas stations, even when they are in the gas station parking lot.

Is this possibly related to any features of how gas stations are mapped, or should interested readers be redirected to some other part of the wiki for information on why they cannot find any gas stations using the gas station feature of the waze app?

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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby txemt » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:34 pm

What about those which are in between 3 major roads? Where does the address point go? Or those between n/s bound lanes or e/w bound lanes? I'm not at the computer now, but I can provide examples of all 3 of these.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby tonestertm » Wed Sep 03, 2014 7:20 pm

PhantomSoul wrote:In New Jersey (at least) gas vendors have been given the option of charging a higher price for credit-card-based purchases, for a variety of reasons.
I don't think this practice is peculiar to New Jersey; California, and other states do it, too.
The old guidance for the app used to say, because the update info coming from the Third Party Provider was the credit prices, that credit prices only, should be entered. I haven't actually looked to see what it says recently.

However, because no one ever Reads The Manual, and Third Party updates have now largely disappeared (think there was an announcement?), plus the existence of Cash only stations, and the fact that the most prominently displayed numbers at any station are the cash numbers, if yer payin' by credit, ya just gotta figure that in. :o :)
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby tonestertm » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:22 am

jondrush wrote:It is absolutely related to stop point. I've tested it on stations that didn't update when I was in the station. I got on WME and move the stop point and was instantly able to update the prices.
In that case, I'd humbly submit that it has more to do with touching the stop point than its location. I have, since long before Places, and ever since, regularly gotten Price Update-ability from over a tenth of a mile away at several locations I occasionally update prices on. Couldn't say for sure whether this was before touching the stop point or not, but a move of about 20-30 feet couldn't possibly change the usable range over that distance. I'll have to see if there are any around I can test on.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby sketch » Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:10 am

qwaletee wrote:GasBuddy used to be positively fascist about reporting only credit prices. I think so many people complained, that they decided to make the policy "prefer reports of cash price unless not offered."

They now support cash/credit pricing, so I guess it's moot.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby sketch » Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:31 pm

I don't believe so. I don't think Waze wants to put (m)any more resources into the gas prices system, because apparently not that many people use it.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby sketch » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:39 pm

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jondrush wrote:It is absolutely related to stop point. I've tested it on stations that didn't update when I was in the station. I got on WME and move the stop point and was instantly able to update the prices.
In that case, I'd humbly submit that it has more to do with touching the stop point than its location. I have, since long before Places, and ever since, regularly gotten Price Update-ability from over a tenth of a mile away at several locations I occasionally update prices on. Couldn't say for sure whether this was before touching the stop point or not, but a move of about 20-30 feet couldn't possibly change the usable range over that distance. I'll have to see if there are any around I can test on.

When Places was invented or whatever, the stop points for gas stations were universally, it seems, located at the location of the imported 3rd-party gas station data. Sometimes the imports were pretty far out of the way. Before Places, that point was not editable; for that reason, before Places, it was often impossible to update gas prices at some stations because the imported point was so far off. Moving the landmark didn't move the point. Now we can move the point, so we can move the reporting point as well.

It's possible that the stop points in some of the worst cases were brought in somewhat as sort of a sanity check, but I've definitely seen a number of them that are somewhat off, sometimes on the wrong side of the street and so on, because that's where the original small-square landmark was located.
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