[UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby coontex » Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:37 pm

Is there any plans to add E-85 in the future to the gas price feature so that these prices can be updated also.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:30 pm

OK. I misunderstood your initial post, on account of being a newbie. I think the concept of "suppress reports" is what I was tripping over. You don't want waze to think they are doing 0 miles per hour on some nearby road while they are pumping gas, using the restroom, or waiting for their shortie hoagie.
I would suggest a little rewording around "suppress" for that reason. I made explicit that the convenience store, car wash, etc, are to be included if they are part of the same business. I think that should help. And I think it is worth getting at least this first paragraph up there even before you are certain of the rest of it.

-Gas station places should be drawn to the fenceline / curbline and should include all parking lots, convenience store buildings, car washes, etc, that are a part of the same business. Reasoning: Most stations are small, stretching them to the limits should make them more visible on the client. Also Gas station areas are supposed to suppress some forms of automated reports. By covering the whole area we suppress reports of people who park away from the pumps and get coffee with Waze running, in addition to those who just pump gas.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby jondrush » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:58 pm

Yes, because people park after getting gas, while they get their coffee and muffins, and leave waze running. In a nutshell, all entrances, pumps, parking lots and buildings should be covered in the area. Some judgement is needed when there are multiple businesses in the lot, but the convenience store is part of the gas station.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:32 pm

So if there is a convenience store in that parking lot, should "entire parking lot" also include the convenience store?

And is there any reason why someone sitting in a gas station parking lot cannot find any nearby gas stations when using the gas station feature?
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby jondrush » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:13 pm

The entire parking lot should be included, BTW.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby voludu2 » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:55 pm

Thanks for your work on a new page for gas station creators. This represents a change in how gas station/convenience stores are currently mapped out (at the moment, the entire Wawa parking lot is typically included in the area place), so I think it would be useful to put your article on the wiki right away, and make sure that those reading the current article on gas station can get to the new information on the best way to map a gas station.

I have two recent user reports in PA from users who are unable to find any nearby gas stations, even when they are in the gas station parking lot.

Is this possibly related to any features of how gas stations are mapped, or should interested readers be redirected to some other part of the wiki for information on why they cannot find any gas stations using the gas station feature of the waze app?
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby jondrush » Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:30 pm

tonestertm wrote:
jondrush wrote:It is absolutely related to stop point. I've tested it on stations that didn't update when I was in the station. I got on WME and move the stop point and was instantly able to update the prices.
In that case, I'd humbly submit that it has more to do with touching the stop point than its location. I have, since long before Places, and ever since, regularly gotten Price Update-ability from over a tenth of a mile away at several locations I occasionally update prices on. Couldn't say for sure whether this was before touching the stop point or not, but a move of about 20-30 feet couldn't possibly change the usable range over that distance. I'll have to see if there are any around I can test on.

Waze staff have confirmed that it is stop-point location that permits price updates.

I agree on the tenth mile, but some stations are so big and the intersection is so far away that you are pushing the limit when you are at the pump. The moves are also about properly directing people when one-way or large roadways are involved.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby sketch » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:39 pm

tonestertm wrote:
jondrush wrote:It is absolutely related to stop point. I've tested it on stations that didn't update when I was in the station. I got on WME and move the stop point and was instantly able to update the prices.
In that case, I'd humbly submit that it has more to do with touching the stop point than its location. I have, since long before Places, and ever since, regularly gotten Price Update-ability from over a tenth of a mile away at several locations I occasionally update prices on. Couldn't say for sure whether this was before touching the stop point or not, but a move of about 20-30 feet couldn't possibly change the usable range over that distance. I'll have to see if there are any around I can test on.

When Places was invented or whatever, the stop points for gas stations were universally, it seems, located at the location of the imported 3rd-party gas station data. Sometimes the imports were pretty far out of the way. Before Places, that point was not editable; for that reason, before Places, it was often impossible to update gas prices at some stations because the imported point was so far off. Moving the landmark didn't move the point. Now we can move the point, so we can move the reporting point as well.

It's possible that the stop points in some of the worst cases were brought in somewhat as sort of a sanity check, but I've definitely seen a number of them that are somewhat off, sometimes on the wrong side of the street and so on, because that's where the original small-square landmark was located.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby tonestertm » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:22 am

jondrush wrote:It is absolutely related to stop point. I've tested it on stations that didn't update when I was in the station. I got on WME and move the stop point and was instantly able to update the prices.
In that case, I'd humbly submit that it has more to do with touching the stop point than its location. I have, since long before Places, and ever since, regularly gotten Price Update-ability from over a tenth of a mile away at several locations I occasionally update prices on. Couldn't say for sure whether this was before touching the stop point or not, but a move of about 20-30 feet couldn't possibly change the usable range over that distance. I'll have to see if there are any around I can test on.
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Re: [UPDATE] Gas Station Places USA

Postby kentsmith9 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:04 pm

Tx, when this page goes live, I assume you would change your TX state page to have users map the PLot road inside the station to get these benefits of mapping it?
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