My experience is that red roads created in the editor can appear on the map in the waze app.

See for instance the red roads here.

I agree its confusing and should be changed.

I don't know if all red roads created in the editor show in the client map or not. As you note, you can find red roads on the map that don't show on the map.

It looks to me like "even if not confirmed, will appear on the map" was changed to "even if not missing key properties, do appear on the map." I would think "not confirmed" was intended to be replaced by "missing key properties" and the "not" was left in by mistake.

At this point unless someone has better information or wants to make more substantial changes, I would propose:

Paved roads do not appear until being "touched" in the editor; roads created in the editor, even if missing key properties, may appear on the map.

No, I have no problem with removing the unclear double-negative. Sorry, I added to my post as you responded.

I don't know. But I'm not sure that's an editor created road. I've seen plenty of red client paved roads that go through buildings and the like because the GPS is clearly off in the client that is doing the paving.

In this case, there is no clear sign that a user was on some nearby road. However, whenever I create a road in the editor, both the created and updated properties get created. I'm suspecting that the system isn't showing these roads on the client or live map because there is no "updated" information. I don't how you can get a red road that has no "updated" information other than by paving with the client.

Well I haven't driven down Hayburn Rd in awhile. Although waze has routed me that way to avoid traffic at the intersection of Routes 1 and 202 if heading to Wilmington from Chadds Ford. However, I would be surprised if there is any missing road around there.

I never did validate the original change that added that content, so if you two are convinced this new change is more accurate I support it.

Apologies. I have been trying to absorb so much information lately, and I have noticed several red roads that don't appear on live map. I guess I thought they were editor-created, because they didn't look like a drunk driving around a parking lot.

Do you know what is the minimum info required to make a red road appear on the live map?
I would like to tighten up this section because, at a minimum,

roads ... even if not missing key properties,

is really confusing.

OK. Any problem with me removing the wrong-meaning double-negative for the benefit of the community?

I made that 1-word change.