[TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby PesachZ » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:09 am

kentsmith9 wrote:Split DAB with Deprecation note

I think we can consider pulling out the split terms at the front of each entry and only show the remainder of each line. The classic DAB uses only a single line for each entry with only one link per line.

It will be similar to the Glossary entry, but much more condensed in the classic DB style.

Thanks for that. I fear though that this style can further the split term usage, by showing the terms without their replacements.

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:30 am

Apologies, I copied the original DAB text and added the note. I expect to incorporate the new terms into the DAB. I will take another shot later tonight.
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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby voludu2 » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:21 pm

That's OK Kent. Many hands make light work.
Can you have a look at
the work going on in the talk page

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby PesachZ » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:12 pm

voludu2 wrote:That's OK Kent. Many hands make light work.
Can you have a look at
the work going on in the talk page

Kent looked at the talk page and suggested moving that whole text to the glossary, and replacing with a simpler DAB style here. [[Split]] will then be a redirect to the glossary.

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby sketch » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:10 pm

As many of you know, I do agree with this generally, and for the most part.

I do not believe it is necessary to use "fork in the road" for the proper, actual meaning of "split." IMO it's better to stick with the proper MUTCD definition of the word, because it's the accepted term.

Same thing with "level" – we didn't need to change to both "elevation" and "rank", just changing "elevation" was fine.

Otherwise, I am in full agreement.

Oh, I believe "undivided" is the preferred term for "not divided," also.
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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby PesachZ » Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:40 pm

sketch wrote:As many of you know, I do agree with this generally, and for the most part.

I do not believe it is necessary to use "fork in the road" for the proper, actual meaning of "split." IMO it's better to stick with the proper MUTCD definition of the word, because it's the accepted term.

Same thing with "level" – we didn't need to change to both "elevation" and "rank", just changing "elevation" was fine.

Otherwise, I am in full agreement.

Oh, I believe "undivided" is the preferred term for "not divided," also.

The main difference between this discussion and the task/level/elevation debacle, is that the most common usage of level recently was in reference to rank, so we simply assigned a different term for other uses. Here the most common usage is not for a fork but for a divided road, we are not simply assigned alternate terms to less common usages, we are trying to change the most common usage. A simple change here wouldn't work well, because those not in the know will still use "split" to refer to divided, for some foreseeable future leading to lots of confusion. Therefore the suggestion was to completely eradicate "split" till falls out of the coon Waze vernacular entirely, then reintroduce it with its MUTCD definition as a reference to a diverging road

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby voludu2 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 8:38 pm

Sketch makes a good point - we are going to wind up using split, the MUTCD term for fork in road. In the short term, at a minimum, we need to remind everyone that split should. It be usEd for "cut" and "divide". A disambiguation page will help when someone searches on split, split road, or split segment. The page that covers fork or MUTCD split can explain this definition, and provide a link to the disambiguation page.

For "cut" and "divide", I think this is clear I have just made a change to a portion of the wiki explaining how to cut one segment to create two segments. This recent change can easily be undone if it is not desirable.

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby voludu2 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:32 pm

If we are going to have a disambiguation page, I think it is desirable for it to assert the preferred usage. This is not an encyclopedia (whose purpose is to record information about knowledge and usage). It is a user manual style guide. The WME-related pages of the Waze wiki are there to improve the map by letting editors know which practices have proven to be best, and by providing terms that will facilitate good communication.

If we are not going to have a disambiguation page, the this information about the preferred terms can go into the glossary.

Clearly, there is enough support to promote using "cut" and "divide" in the wiki, and we should start making these changes wherever we Find them.

Can we agree to this much?

In the long term the MUTCD term split should probably be accepted here for a fork in the road.
In the short term, if "split" is used, "fork" or "MUTCD split" will have to be used to make clear one of the deprecated usages of split was not meant.

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby PesachZ » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:58 pm

I have not heard any objections to start implementing the changes acrrow the wiki. The only discussion is how to format and word a disambiguation page. So I say we start doing this as well. And get the glossary updated.

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Re: [TERM CHANGE - ACROSS WIKI] Avoid the word *SPLIT*

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:33 pm

PesachZ wrote:The only discussion is how to format and word a disambiguation page.

I had proposed this wording already:
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Split_(disambiguation)/Temp
We can further tweak it to ensure the new terms are used in the text for the disambiguation. Then when the other page/section changes are completed, we link to those places from the DAB.

The other changes should be made to the glossary as already noted. To some degree that entry for Split in the glossary will somewhat appear like a DAB as well, but we already agreed this was a special case that would benefit people more than it would cost in maintenance/redundancy.
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