{DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Tue Sep 08, 2015 6:10 pm

DwarfLord wrote:Additional clarity has emerged (for me, at least) regarding criteria for inclusion in the Global vs. Local Wiki. If I understand correctly, the editing community prefers the Global Wiki to focus on the technical aspects of editing in WME, and not guidelines or questions of best practice.

Given this, it seems terrifically clear to me that Places/Parking lot should not be in the Global Wiki. It contains no technical information whatsoever! It simply provides the US perspective on where and where not to use the Parking Lot Place.

I would like to propose that this article be removed from consideration for the Global Wiki and be established as a USA-only article.

Thanks bringing this up, I am notifying the wiki moderators to review your post.
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Wed Sep 09, 2015 1:32 am

Timbones wrote:I lightly object because the UK Guidelines (United_Kingdom/Places) for Car Parks was written based on what was considered to be "Global Guidelines", and this provided considerable weight to the argument that only certain car parks should be mapped. Without global guidelines, it's much harder to justify some local decisions.

Can we at least keep some global recommendations for mapping, with caveats for Local Guidelines? Perhaps as a hidden page that would only be used by local Wiki authors, and not generally searchable?

You can absolutely make a global version derivative page based on the information on page considered globally applicable. The wiki mods can sift through it and pull what they collectively feel is appropriate for a new global page. We can then place that page with the global places page, and provide link to any existing local pages on the topic as usual.
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Wed Sep 30, 2015 4:26 pm

I would like to see it moved to USA content, and then if someone would be so kind to draft a gloabbly approved page of parking lots, that would be great too. But we shouldn't require the new page before dealing with the existing page.

That said do the wiki mods agree to make this page as it is now a US only page?
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:59 am

kentsmith9 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:The banner pointing to this thread at the top of the page is part of the banner notifying that this page is nominated to be a global page, and the link is to discuss the nomination.

On the talk page there is a link to the forum thread to discuss changes on the page.


bummerdude69 wrote:Is that SOP, to have a link to the thread on the talk page?

I've always heard (and so never looked) that the talk page was not used. If it's not SOP, I think it would be a good one.


PesachZ wrote:It is not *used* to have a discussion, but since it the defacto place for discussions in other wikis, it is commonly SOP to put a link there pointing to the direct thread for discussion since many editors will look there first.


I think we have a hole in our global page system still.

1. Most, if not all, the Global Wiki pages I have seen have no talk page data. As a user, when I go there to consider making a change, I see the info on the top of the page to come to this thread, but I don't see how I am supposed to make a change. It is not until I go to edit the page that I see the comment code telling me what to do. That is different from going to the talk page. So did we change our process or are we not complete in filling in all the talk pages on global pages? I would like to propose we instead consider an expand box with the same current information in that template at the top, but below the expand line we include the content from the comments on the page to come to Wiki Updates forum for the page.

2. On the global pages at the top I see the following comment code:
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<!--if the section parameter is defined, do not place the visible banner, only as the code block for the top of a section-->{{GlobalMark/visible}}

I am not sure what this is telling me. IMO it is too ambiguous. As a wiki editor I would need to study the template to have any clue as to what it might be saying. I propose we clarify it and update the pages. Hopefully we can use our bot to do so.

I like your expand idea at the top of the pages. I would also like to see the {{ForumLink}} added to the talk pages on any articles which already have associated forum threads.

The code comment you are seeing is not telling you to do anything. it is a byproduct of the implementation of {{GlobalMark}} and the fact that is employed using substitution which includes the wiki comments. This comment explains the operation of the template. I guess we should remove it so it isn't pulled into pages.
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Oct 11, 2015 7:08 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:The code comment you are seeing is not telling you to do anything. it is a byproduct of the implementation of {{GlobalMark}} and the fact that is employed using substitution which includes the wiki comments. This comment explains the operation of the template. I guess we should remove it so it isn't pulled into pages.

Yes please.

I will put it on my to do list, remind me after I forget and it languishes a bit :lol:
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:30 am

The GlobalMark template has been updated so going forward that wiki text comment will appear on marked pages.
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:30 am

subs5 wrote:This portion of the Creating and editing road segments page needs to be updated to add Speed Limits as a legitimate reason for having a two-segment junction. The recent addition of Speed Limits sometimes requires a junction to properly annotate where the SL changes.
You can add USA and any other country that uses Speed Limits.


SeZAKxing wrote:{I did not read pages 2-4 so if this may be a duplicate suggestion}
Suggestion for Best Editing Practice page please re order the "In Practice" list so parking lots are first (which is where new editors are more likely to be spotted) and put Dividing and un-dividing last.
possible order.

a more logical / experience /lock level based order may be more useful:
2.1 Parking Lots
2.2 Junction Style Guide
2.3 When to Create a Roundabout
2.4 Time Restricted Turns
2.5 When to Use Ramps in an Intersection
2.6 Locking Segments
2.7 Toll Roads
2.8 Highways and Ramps
2.9 Dividing and un-dividing divided highways

These may be both good suggestions but they are in the wrong place. Each one should be placed in the thread dedicated to discussing updates to that page. If such a thread does not yet exist, please create a new one.

The purpose of this thread is as outlined in the OP (quoted below):
PesachZ wrote:
Editors can discuss here if they feel a certain page should be nominated to be included as a Global page in the global instance of the soon-to-be new Wazopedia.
They can also use this thread to discuss if they think a page which has already been nominated for the global wiki, would be better left out of the global wiki, and instead belongs better in a local wiki.



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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:44 am

subs5 wrote:
PesachZ wrote:
Editors can discuss here if they feel a certain page should be nominated to be included as a Global page in the global instance of the soon-to-be new Wazopedia.
They can also use this thread to discuss if they think a page which has already been nominated for the global wiki, would be better left out of the global wiki, and instead belongs better in a local wiki.




Tried that it didn't link properly so I posted here.

Are you saying you tried creating a new discussion thread but weren't able to? I can help create the thread if you need.

Edit : the correct place for you to post would be the existing thread in this forum [PAGE UPDATE]Creating and editing road segments(Global)
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Feb 21, 2016 12:27 am

The Rest areas page is marked as a global Wazeopedia nominee, however the very first sentence of the page isolates it as USA based local guideline.
This article is a US-based set of guidelines. It includes the community recommended guidelines for mapping rest areas.


I propose that this page be removed from the global nomination, and if portions of it are later deemed relevant to the global community a new page can be created and derive from it the relevant content.
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Re: {DISCUSSION} Pages Nominated for Wazopedia GLOBAL wiki

Postby PesachZ » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:29 pm

PesachZ wrote:The Rest areas page is marked as a global Wazeopedia nominee, however the very first sentence of the page isolates it as USA based local guideline.
This article is a US-based set of guidelines. It includes the community recommended guidelines for mapping rest areas.


I propose that this page be removed from the global nomination, and if portions of it are later deemed relevant to the global community a new page can be created and derive from it the relevant content.

A poll has been created for this, we should have an official answer within 7 days.

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