kentsmith9 wrote:Definitions and operation:
Soft Restricted Turn -
- Initially all new segments are automatically created with all turns set as soft restricted turns.
- The routing server will consider a lower penalty for routing through a soft restricted turn, vs. a hard restricted turn.
- Both soft and hard restricted turns look red on the map editor. There may be a time in the future where soft restricted turns may have a different color to aid editors trying to resolve routing issues.
- Once a soft restricted turn is changed to any other turn type, it cannot be returned to this type and cannot be created manually.
There's effectively 4 states because there's the two states of the actual connection (turn), either enabled or disabled, and two states for the origin segment's turnsLocked status for that side of the segment. Once drive analysis enables a turn I'm fairly certain analysis will not later disable a turn. If the outgoing turns of a segment are locked on that particular side, drive analysis will not update the turns originating from that segment. A hard restricted turn has a significantly higher routing penalty vs a soft restricted turn. It's unconfirmed whether a soft enabled turn has any routing penalty, I know of no testing that's been done for this.kentsmith9 wrote:Soft Enabled Turn -
- These are created by the routing engine when it finds Waze traffic going through a soft restricted turn enough times.
- The routing engine cannot override a hard disabled turn with a soft enabled turn. (Or can it?)
- (Does a soft restricted turn have a higher penalty than a hard restricted turn?)
- (Is there any other reason beyond the different turn penalty for not wanting a soft enabled turn?)
- (Can a soft enabled turn automatically convert back to a soft restricted turn?)
Hard Restricted Turn
- When an editor clicks on a turn arrow and changes its status from red to green or green to red, the eventual red setting will now be a hard restricted turn.
- Hard restricted turns have a higher turn penalty than soft restricted turns.
- Editors set hard restricted turns when they know a particular turn is not permissible from a junction on the road.
Hard Enabled Turn
- Created manually by Waze editors when clicking on a red turn arrow (either soft or hard disabled) and making it green.
- All turns in a junction will be hard enabled after pressing both the Q and W shortcut keys.
- Caution should be taken after using the QW key sequence to be sure if any of the underlying road junction turns should be disabled manually by clicking on the arrows to make them red.
- (Does pressing the W key alone simply not change the soft enabled turns to hard enabled turns?)
- (Do the extended tools properly set all turns to hard enabled? This may not go into the final wiki.)
CBenson wrote:Can you change turn restrictions from soft to hard by doing anything other than enabling or disabling a restriction from the same segment?
They're talking about locked turns, because that's what the attributes are actually called (fwdTurnsLocked/revTurnsLocked), and it used to be a property of the segment's locked attribute a couple of years ago. "We" called them hard/soft to avoid confusion with the segment's locked attribute.CBenson wrote:There is this section of the wiki. But that gets into the morass of what waze means when it says "lock."
mapcat wrote:kentsmith9 wrote:mapcat wrote:Waze does not support time based restrictions, so if it's not allowed for a specific time frame, then it's not allowed.
I recall many threads discussing this, but I don't recall a final recommendation. I think this thread could spawn that decision here or in a related thread. If it was decided, I missed it in my search and I don't recall it getting into the Wiki yet. We should note that some restrictions are for commute traffic flow control and some are for other reasons. I know one road in my area is no right turn during late hours when most people are not around. Otherwise the majority of traffic is allowed. Shall we play it safe and say No turn if "ever" restricted even if only for 3 hours on a weekday?
I recall reading some opinions on this that seemed to indicate a decision had been made, but maybe it was just wishful thinking.
bgodette wrote:CBenson wrote:Can you change turn restrictions from soft to hard by doing anything other than enabling or disabling a restriction from the same segment?
In the public WME not without writing a script. However the current beta allows you to mark the turns hard without modifying the existing turns.
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