Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mapcat » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:57 am

Definitely add something about which landmarks are necessary, which ones are useful in certain circumstances, and which ones are nothing but useless clutter.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mapcat » Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:23 am

The general understanding (and AFAIK that's the only knowledge on this topic) is that Waze does not route to POIs in the database. It used to, but this functionality was removed at some point in the last few months. Gas stations are part of a separate database, but I don't know if those landmarks are used for routing purposes either.

Parking lots and gas stations are still the only ones Waze has identified as having special properties (suppressing traffic reports).

Some larger landmarks are useful since they appear in the client and are often destinations or identifiable features: large water bodies, parks, stadiums, significant shopping centers, universities, etc. Adding individual stores would be a waste of time since they would not likely show up at all (or worse, their name would show up floating over the general area around their location).

I personally don't like the idea of editors maintaining landmarks. When Starbucks moves, then the map is out of date. And when Starbucks shows up but Dunkin Donuts does not, then it looks like favoritism.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mapcat » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:54 pm

Thanks for taking the lead here, Andy.

I agree with most of what you've included. AFAIK the inaccessible water layer exists only in the USA, so anywhere else (including Canada) water features do need to be mapped. Some features are missing in the USA also, so there's nothing wrong with adding some more where useful.

Regarding parks, what do you mean by "as long as it's not too big where it interferes with other landmarks/roads"? Every park will have some roads in it. National Parks absolutely should be mapped, regardless of size. They're destinations. Parking lot landmarks suppress traffic, and possibly gas stations, but I don't think any others do.

Some of the others you say should be mapped (police station, clinic) may be so small that they will never show up, so it may not matter whether or not they're mapped.

I don't think bridges (or tunnels) should be mapped as landmarks. Instead, the street name should be switched from the highway number to the name of the bridge.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mapcat » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:32 pm

CrackedLCD wrote:
jasonh300 wrote:9. Gas stations suppress traffic. That's never been in question.


Do you name gas station landmarks? I've been naming the ones that were put in to suppress traffic, but I think after a certain number of them are drawn it starts to clutter the map too much.

In the USA, we're not supposed to be adding gas station landmarks. They imported a special uneditable layer for those.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mapcat » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:52 pm

Jpere wrote:Do you have a link where they make that announcement?

No, because I don't think Waze ever made that announcement. They told everyone worldwide to add gas stations. Then people started adding them and editing them in the USA in response to URs and someone said wait, that won't help, will it, and asked for clarification from on high. If clarification ever appeared I am not aware of it. Waze doesn't answer a lot of questions.

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mapcat wrote:In the USA, we're not supposed to be adding gas station landmarks. They imported a special uneditable layer for those.


Which neither shows the gas station, nor does it suppress traffic. The uneditable layer and the landmark layer are two different things and I really don't think one has anything to do with the other.

From what I've seen, the gas stations layer that we can't edit just has a gps point that shows the gas station, and doesn't cover any area that would suppress traffic.

I don't know if having two sets of gas station landmarks will affect anything at all. "I really don't think" and "From what I've seen" is all you can offer here, because you don't know. You should, and I should, but we don't. Nobody knows. The only people with the capability to know don't talk. Maybe they don't know either.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby MGODLEW » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:20 pm

I think items that should be mapped are places they are associated primarily with driving/travel. That would include train stations, bus stations, airports, public parking lots (not business parking lots), hotels, car repair locations, amusement parks & sports/concert venues, gas stations, schools/universities, car rental locations, ALL 24hr hospitals and EMS/Fire/Police stations. As for mapping businesses, I would map businesses that are in large buildings. IE: Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, Target... Pretty much any grocery store & big shopping malls like Mall of America for example.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby MGODLEW » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:19 pm

bgodette wrote:Public Parking is already covered directly in the app without need of a landmark. Hotels, repair, rental, Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, Target, grocery stores, etc are all revenue streams and just add clutter.


I'll agree all revenue streamed businesses shouldn't be mapped per say but I think hotels would still be good to see on a map. I can't tell you the countless times I've had people ask "hey do you know how I can get to ****** hotel" Seeing it on a map could potentially help some either find a hotel nearby or navigate to it a little easier.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby MGODLEW » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:50 pm

I agree people should use the search but occasionally it might be nice to free roam on the map to see whats nearby, at least that is my opinion (which doesn't really account to much) but otherwise I agree with you.
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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mssusa » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:28 am

I've marked malls as a single MALL landmark that covers the mall's parking lot to. In addition, I mapped the roads surrounding store fronts and the ones surrounding the parking lot and adjacent to the main roads, and marked them as parking lot roads.

I believe this should improve traffic detection, look great on the client and live map and support navigation into and out of the malls. However, I don't have enough wazers where I am to see if this really works.

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Re: Wiki page suggestion: Landmarks

Postby mssusa » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:04 am

AndyPoms wrote:... Expect to see something in the next few months.


Lool. That's the true Waze spirit.
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