State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

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State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Nov 03, 2012 12:09 am

I'm kinda okay with this. In Oregon, all routes are referred to verbally as "highway" though.
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:05 am

Now that we know how Waze will be implementing shields based on data objects, should this be untabled again? :)
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State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:07 am

We know we'll have shield control pretty soon based on data structure. WazeBar for Safari displays this info when present in the data.
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:12 pm

The next version of the editor should have the direct shield specification ability. I don't know if we should spend a lot of time worrying about workarounds or kludgy fixes at this time.

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When it looks cool like that and we can directly manipulate it, I think all this discussion can go away. Hope, hope, hope...
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:21 am

I agree that for US Routes, we should drop the "Rte" or "Hwy" and just name them "US-##"...

I have also proposed in other places, and support here, completely dropping the "State Rte", "State Hwy" & "SR-" nomenclature in favor of state abbreviations (i.e. "CT-", "MA-", "PA-") for several reasons. 1) It's already done in several states in Waze, and in most commectical GPS units. As well as being used by many of the states themselves.
2) By differentiating between the states, it creates the possibility of adding state specific shields in the future
3) In theory, TTS should be able to translate "Ct" to "Court", "CT" to "Connecticut", and "CT-" to "Route" using a look-up table of some kind
3a) Since we use different servers for NA & ROTW, theoretically the abbreviations can be reused by using different look-up tables on each server.

HOWEVER, I think any change should wait till we find out what Waze intends to do with shields...
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:09 pm

WeeeZer14 wrote:* I perviously mentioned using "SR-xx" and doing a translation/lookup based on the state the segment is in. But I later had the thought that near borders you will have ramps leading to highways in other states. So we can't rely on the state field of the segment to give us the proper translation.
That's why I suggest using "CT-##" or "MA-##" and the "CT-" or "MA-" triggers the translation, NOT the state field... That way the ramp that is in CT that leads to MA-## will trigger the MA- lookup...
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:33 pm

jondrush wrote:
WeeeZer14 wrote: * Any thoughts on what to do with Primary vs. Secondary routes? For part of PA they are using "PA-xx" for primary and "SR-xxxx" for the secondaries. In TN there are primary and secondary and less of a distinction between them. And the same numbered route may change between primary and secondary along its path.

I think it comes down to expectations of a shield in the client. In PA, SR-xxxx roads do not get shields in real life and are almost always referred to by another name.

I think this could come down to signed vs unsigned roads... If there are signs with numbers on the road in Real Life, then we put it in Waze; if there aren't, then we don't.
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:06 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:Now that we know how Waze will be implementing shields based on data objects, should this be untabled again? :)
How about we let them implement it first (at least in WME Beta) - what we think they will be doing could change between now and then...
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:21 am

harling wrote:I've been saying it since the topic first came up, and I'll keep saying it: use the standard two-letter state code for state routes/highways rather than a generic "SR-", and translate it for the speech processor according to local custom. For example, MA-nn would be "Route nn", which would make sense to the locals both visually and audibly. ["SR-"anything is almost as foreign as calling rotaries "roundabouts". ;-)]
I've been saying the same thing in various posts...
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Re: State Route and US Route Naming in the USA

Postby AndyPoms » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:48 pm

txemt wrote:This was a private conversation I was having with another manager about the shields around Texas. I can confirm shields are displayed for the first permalink and the two on I-45 outside of Houston. In te editor, I-37 S shows the shield in the name, but not I-37 N. Same with I-35 through San Antonio, but when 35 get to the outside loop of San Antonio, the shield disappears all together, both in the client and in the editor.


We're currently working with Waze about the shield issue. It may have to wait till we get actual shield control in WME, as there doesn't seem to be any logic to which roads are getting/not getting shields (I-## vs I- ## as well as those with/without N/S/W/E appended).
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