Road Naming (USA)

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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby harling » Sat Jun 01, 2013 2:47 am

kentsmith9 wrote:
mapcat wrote:Two-plus weeks of no objections to the proposals to change Michigan's state highways to M-XXX and Kansas's to K-XXX. When do we make it official?

I think it is probably good enough. Page updated.

I'm still holding out for MA state highways to be labeled "MA-##", supported by TTS saying simply "route ##". (Other than the shape of the shield, locals don't make much of a distinction between state and US highways, they're all just "routes".)
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Jun 01, 2013 3:44 am

harling wrote:I'm still holding out for MA state highways to be labeled "MA-##", supported by TTS saying simply "route ##". (Other than the shape of the shield, locals don't make much of a distinction between state and US highways, they're all just "routes".)

If they display just the shield, does the "MA-##" matter?
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby sketch » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:44 am

orbitc wrote:Anybody have any objection for us to change them to US-XX? (similar to NY style) Thanks.

US-xx has been the countrywide standard for a year and a half. Any contrary information was due to either misinterpretation or ignorance of the naming standards somewhere along the line. So yes, you may.


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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby orbitc » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:47 am

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orbitc wrote:Anybody have any objection for us to change them to US-XX? (similar to NY style) Thanks.

US-xx has been the countrywide standard for a year and a half. Any contrary information was due to either misinterpretation or ignorance of the naming standards somewhere along the line. So yes, you may.


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Thank you. I think the hold up for us (NJ) is due to the shields.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby harling » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:53 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:
harling wrote:I'm still holding out for MA state highways to be labeled "MA-##", supported by TTS saying simply "route ##". (Other than the shape of the shield, locals don't make much of a distinction between state and US highways, they're all just "routes".)

If they display just the shield, does the "MA-##" matter?

As long as it displays the shield in the nav list and on the client screen, and pronounces it simply "route ##", it doesn't matter. That's one of the features I am waiting for, before changing anything. But if something goes wrong and shield support is delayed, "MA-##" is Plan B.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:04 am

harling wrote:As long as it displays the shield in the nav list and on the client screen, and pronounces it simply "route ##", it doesn't matter. That's one of the features I am waiting for, before changing anything. But if something goes wrong and shield support is delayed, "MA-##" is Plan B.

Based on my understanding of what's to come, shield and primary name are de-coupled. Shield comes from the dedicated field, and TTS announces what's in the name field, where you would put "Route ##" and that's exactly how it'd be pronounced.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby harling » Sat Jun 01, 2013 5:11 am

That's my understanding too. I'll keep referring to the shields solution in the hypothetical until it is actually released into the production WME, though. ;)
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby mapcat » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:19 pm

sketch wrote:
orbitc wrote:Anybody have any objection for us to change them to US-XX? (similar to NY style) Thanks.

US-xx has been the countrywide standard for a year and a half. Any contrary information was due to either misinterpretation or ignorance of the naming standards somewhere along the line. So yes, you may.

Once you get going on this, please be as complete and thorough as possible. Maps with a bunch of "US Hwy 1"'s randomly scattered among the "US-1"'s look amateurish.

Has anyone investigated getting a mass change done directly to the db, swapping out "US Hwy " for "US-" wherever it still appears?
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby skbun » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:29 pm

mapcat wrote:
sketch wrote:
orbitc wrote:Anybody have any objection for us to change them to US-XX? (similar to NY style) Thanks.

US-xx has been the countrywide standard for a year and a half. Any contrary information was due to either misinterpretation or ignorance of the naming standards somewhere along the line. So yes, you may.

Once you get going on this, please be as complete and thorough as possible. Maps with a bunch of "US Hwy 1"'s randomly scattered among the "US-1"'s look amateurish.

Has anyone investigated getting a mass change done directly to the db, swapping out "US Hwy " for "US-" wherever it still appears?


The biggest problem is, among other things, that's not the only thing that appeared on on the map at all. I've been cleaning up US-2 in Washington, and I've found 'US 2', 'Hwy 2', 'US Hwy 2', and 'Stevens Pass Highway' (without any indication of it being US-2 in the alt), many of which had basemap dates.

It's just a mess, and these new naming standards is honestly a reason to get in there and fix it right, at last. Hey, if we want to get together the champs, CMs, and wide area managers and say 'This weekend is 'Fix the US Highway naming weekend', I would be all about that. We set up a wiki page as a checklist, and we get it done.

Roads that are primary streets and above can be mass selected and edited as high up as 500m, and it actually goes faster than people think.
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Re: Road Naming (USA)

Postby skbun » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:36 pm

As a followup to myself, I guess what I'm saying here is that collectively, we all have done more discussing about this than it actually would have taken for us to all go out, buy a two-liter of Mountain Dew, and end this, doing it _right_, by mass selecting segments, making sure we get a continuous select (meaning the road is named the same all the way), and not only change names of highways, but do it right in making sure the road isn't broken, that there's good consistency extra junctions suppressed, etc. We the CMs are really the only ones who CAN, because we have the experience, and the wide editing ability.
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