Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

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Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:53 am

I am using the new Wiki management templates to start the work to remove and replace the older Cartouche pages with current ones. If anyone has any concerns around this effort please respond.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:23 pm

Waze management has proposed that I go through and actually delete the old Cartouche pages. It has been obsolete for over one year and comes up pretty high in many searches causing confusion for users.

Options to consider:
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1. Delete them completely - This process removes their existence and history and can only be done by an admin. The content and title will not appear in any search. There is no way to see any prior information from that page.

Note: an admin has access to restore a deleted page, but their history cannot be seen until they are restored. A person needs to know what page is desired for restoration since they are unsearchable. Any prior links to a deleted page will lead to a blank page, but you can see a message that the page had been deleted previously (but again you cannot see the historical content).

2. Edit to Blank - This process keeps the edit history and therefore you can look at a prior edit to see content. Helpful if there is a chance older Cartouche pages have content we think is necessary, but somehow has not been ported to new pages. The title still appears in searches, but the page has nothing. Could cause confusion to users.

3. Edit to Redirect - This process keeps the edit history and therefore you can look at a prior edit to see content. Helpful if there is a chance older Cartouche pages have content we think is necessary, but somehow has not been ported to new pages. The title still appears in searches possibly causing confusion, but it automatically redirects to a more relevant page for the user anyway. This is more work for editors (to find the appropriate alternate page).

4. Move to an alternate namespace - We could move the pages out of the main namespace so they do not come up during a standard search. But if you went to the advanced search you could include other namespaces and your search would then include Cartouche pages. Less desirable plan than the two Edit options because the content is still in the live state and could still cause confusion.
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Personally I have looked at most of the Cartouche pages over the last 9 months and I don't there there is anything significant we don't already have moved over. I am supporting option 1. Delete.

Other feedback is desired. After 1 week of feedback I will begin the process unless someone believes I need to wait longer.

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EDIT: This post in this thread summarizes the plan based on the group's feedback.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby sketch » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:30 pm

Maybe I'm a sucker for history, but I'd like to keep them around in some way. Why not move them to a namespace called, say, "OBSOLETE"?
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby petervdveen » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:17 pm

If the page can be usefull when changed, I would keep it.
Otherwise delete them.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:48 pm

sketch wrote:Maybe I'm a sucker for history, but I'd like to keep them around in some way. Why not move them to a namespace called, say, "OBSOLETE"?

If we have enough support for option 4, we could create "Obsolete" as a new namespace and move the pages there, yes.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby burpee1282 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:51 pm

Option 4.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby ps_au » Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:55 am

Option 4. but make it a 6 month max limit to ensure all information has been transferred across.
Then they will be deleted.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby sirKitKat » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:03 am

Option 4 combined with option 3.
The name of the namespace should be "Archive" instead of "Obsolete" to make it more universal and clearer for non native English speaking people.

Move the page to an other namespace and edit the redirect that is left behind to a page with newer information.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby deeggo » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:00 pm

I prefer option 3.
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Re: Removing/Replacing Obsolete Cartouche pages

Postby petervdveen » Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:49 pm

Me too, option 3.
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