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Re: Driveways

Postby akpolarbee » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:48 pm

Should some of it depend on local situations? It's not uncommon where I live to have multiple subdivisions where everyone has 500m driveways. They are all marked at the beginning of the drive and are rural enough that no mapping software is going to confuse your location, other than knowing you aren't on the road at all.
I think mapping all those driveways would just lead to a cluttered map.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:11 am

Thanks for starting this thread.
mapcat wrote:- Don't map private driveways serving single residences or businesses, unless they are especially long (how long?).

I think previously I've posted 50m or greater.
mapcat wrote:- Don't map drive-thrus at fast food, banks, etc.

This is changing. To provide routing off a main road to give proper turn instructions, and to keep traffic speed from being impacted by drive-through users, this is becoming more advisable. However, these are parking lot roads, and not driveways, and should be discussed elsewhere. So let's take this item off the list.
mapcat wrote:- Map driveways when they serve multiple residences. Name them according to the street they lead from, and add house numbers for each residence.

There also needs to be an allowance for two residences which are off the main road, fairly close together, but with separate driveways. Having two visible on-screen with one being the routed-onto one can provide very necessary guidance. These driveways are often parallel to each other for quite a distance and can have a fence between them, making it impossible to cross from one property to the other.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:30 pm

I think these all fit within the guidelines, but just to exemplify common issues with proper routing.

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The top horizontal road has houses on its south which are closer to the private road south of them. (Those can be adjusted.) The private road is required to navigate properly to the house at the western end. Note that address is 95% closer to Maple Hill Ln rather than 172nd Ave, which is where its address comes from.

Then south of that there another private rd/named road pair. The private road wouldn't be necessary except the public named road, which serves several houses, is so darn close, that in order to differential which to turn onto, the private road becomes necessary, otherwise the driver is sent down Wooded Heights to get to it, and it's fenced apart and so you have to back up and head into the gated private entrance to the intended address. Streetview.

These kinds of situations, especially the 2nd, don't happen a lot in urban areas, but the western (currently) less populated states deal with this all over the place.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:49 pm

Riamus wrote:In many cases, a specific driveway may never be routed to in Waze, so adding it would be moot. I'd be okay in that kind of a situation with a person adding their address or someone else's that they go to or whatever, but not to adding every driveway on the street.

These are examples where marking the driveway is required based on search results putting the GPS pin on the house itself. Without driveways for both cases, which don't fit nicely into the guidelines as I've understood them in this thread so far, routing will be incorrect.

It doesn't matter if this is internal or external address data as the location of the houses in relation to other streets is the problem.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Aug 20, 2013 3:55 pm

Riamus wrote:Why wouldn't internal addressing help? You have a stop point, so Waze should route to the stop point no matter where the address point is located so long as Waze has an address for the house so that external addressing isn't needed.

It would help, but only for single-address-per-private-drive unless we continue with the kludge of naming private drives after the street they are attached to. I'm refusing to do that because it isn't accurate. Waze will fix the stop-point problems and then, when we can have stop points on unnamed private drive and parking lot segments, we'll be fine. Until then, it still won't work well enough.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:42 pm

Riamus wrote:Just to clarify on this... if the name is official, it should be mapped regardless what the name is. Official meaning there is an official green street sign there (or there could be one officially placed there),...

Around these parts, private drives get blue signs. :)
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:34 pm

Riamus wrote:Really? Ok, then... as long as it's an official sign regardless of color.

Just for reference:
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:30 pm

jasonh300 wrote:This is not a reason to have a driveway. The Waze internal addressing lets you assign both the location of the address (e.g. over the building), and a point on the road for an address (where the driveway meets the road).

And this isn't good enough. 1) We don't name unnamed private driveways, so 2) Waze doesn't let you set the stop point on any road other than the main named one. This is a must for remote driveways and store addresses within parking lots.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:50 am

It stops on A and that's been my whole gripe with the stop point ever since it was introduced. I've posted multiple times about this deficiency and outright told Waze and showed them how their routing will get significantly worse if they turn on their internal addresses search without allowing the right flexibility with stop points.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:44 pm

petervdveen wrote:Does the connected (white) road have another name?

No, and it shouldn't. We've already discussed this kludgy workaround earlier in the thread.
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