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Re: Driveways

Postby CBenson » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:58 pm

Section Section 2D.43 of the MUTCD provides for other colors to indicate jurisdiction of the road, but there are not really different authorities for maintaining the roads in the five boroughs are there?

An alternative background color other than the normal guide sign color of green may be used for Street Name (D3-1 or D3-1a) signs where the highway agency determines this is necessary to assist road users in determining jurisdictional authority for roads.
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Re: Driveways

Postby CBenson » Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:17 pm

My 2 cents.

First,
mapcat wrote:- Don't map driveways just to make map problems go away.

I understand what's being said here, in that I understand that missing road MPs don't necessary mean there is a real problem with the map. That being said, I only map driveways where I can find some problem that is solved by their presence on the map. Which usually means 1) waze routing doesn't take you somewhere reasonably close to the entrance of the driveway without the driveway on the map and the routing is significantly improved with the driveway on the map, or 2) the driveway is complex enough that further directions are required after entering the driveway (e.g. the multiple residence served by a single driveway issue).

Second,
I think it would be very useful for standards regarding when to map driveways to be included in the wiki. However, I am also very opposed to any such standard implying that driveways that have been added to the map (as opposed to those from the base map) may be freely deleted because they don't meet the standards. No matter what standards we come up with, there will always be reasonable exceptions. Deletions should never be made without making an attempt to contact the creator.
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Re: Driveways

Postby Bigbear3764 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 3:11 am

tpainter wrote:Would more specific guidance be to only map them if an error shows up? Basically no premature mapping.


Not for System Generated Errors for drive-thrus. We mark them solved and move on.
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Re: Driveways

Postby Aqualung812 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:15 pm

Very good advice, thank you jasonh300.

As to the second part about a wiki entry? It took a great deal of time to filter through all the pages of comments on this & even to find this thread.

I fear that others will not take the time to find this & make their own calls.
I noticed a UR requesting a road near a driveway, and a rank 5 is saying that Waze typically does not add driveways, even though this one is aprox 500m and serves two homes:
https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... TT&env=usa

I will discuss this with the editor first, but it sure would be nice to link back to a wiki entry saying what we do or do not do.
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Re: Driveways

Postby Aqualung812 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:00 pm

So, did this topic die? I've recently restarted editing in my area & plan to add driveways in rural areas as private roads if they are >~100m.
I've searched the wiki & do not see an entry yet. Should I create something on the Wiki, or wait for more guidance from the rank 4-6 people I see discussing this issue a few months ago?
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Re: Driveways

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:38 pm

jasonh300 wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:Aside from the occasional MP, I've never had a problem at my local McWendyKing with Waze (it is not mapped). So, why should we consider changing something that is working? I know Ehud wants these things mapped, but unless they fix the display issues associated with parking lots (and the navigation issues that I've heard send people to the wrong exit) I don't think we should change anything (yet).


I've been mapping them as conservatively as possible when MPs come up, but I agree with AndyPoms (and have been pestering the developers for months) that the display of these roads needs to change if we're ever going to have functional parking lot navigation because adding in all these PLot roads makes the map look REALLY BAD.

Not to mention confusing...
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Re: Driveways

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:27 pm

sketch wrote:
AndyPoms wrote:
sketch wrote:The point is that we're making a clear set of rules, rather than allowing each editor to make their own. And drive-thrus are mapped, just not as private roads, so they're not under the ambit of our discussion.

Drive-thrus fall under the "Small Parking Lots" clause and are NOT mapped.
Which is changing. Read Alan's post above. We're discussing updating the Wiki to standards that actually work. Lets not use outdated existing Wiki thinking in our discussion.
Aside from the occasional MP, I've never had a problem at my local McWendyKing with Waze (it is not mapped). So, why should we consider changing something that is working? I know Ehud wants these things mapped, but unless they fix the display issues associated with parking lots (and the navigation issues that I've heard send people to the wrong exit) I don't think we should change anything (yet).
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Re: Driveways

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:14 pm

sketch wrote:The point is that we're making a clear set of rules, rather than allowing each editor to make their own. And drive-thrus are mapped, just not as private roads, so they're not under the ambit of our discussion.

Drive-thrus fall under the "Small Parking Lots" clause and are NOT mapped.
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Re: Driveways

Postby AndyPoms » Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:06 pm

mapcat wrote:Here's what I'm talking about: https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... TTTTTTTTTT

Some of the houses at the edge of the development are closer to the surrounding roads than they are to the roads in front of them. Based on where the data points for each house are in Google or Bing are, Waze might attempt to route you to the wrong road. Adding driveways for each of the houses in that situation would solve that problem, but would look horrible and would lead to far more problems than it solved.

and with the new address system, completely unnecessary as the stop point would be on the road inside the complex. We just need to have the new address system go live...
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Re: Driveways

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:31 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:I lost track of this one. I plowed through the 11 pages again and I believe I have captured our general consensus in this new Driveway page.

I don't recall if this was a USA only set of recommendations and the page should be noted as such, or do we believe it is universal enough?

Thanks, Kent. That's a good first swipe. I made one change to "marked as Private Road" to read "set as Private Road type" because the first (marked) could be interpreted as "named."

I think some prettification, adding some example images would be good to move it to perfection.

I am not sure what the international community's opinion of this is. I would hope for universal application.
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