REDIRECT to page section  Topic is solved

Moderator: Unholy

REDIRECT to page section

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:53 am

Do redirects to page sections not work as expected? I can't get "bowtie" to redirect to anything but the page top. The URL doesn't reflect what I'd expect either, but I guess some recent wikimedia update changed the way redirects work...

Any suggestions?
AlanOfTheBerg
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 23587
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:48 pm
Location: US Country Manager - Oregon, USA
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4770 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:28 am

I agree, but doubt there is an easy fix if Wikipedia still has the issue. ;)
kentsmith9
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5192
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm
Location: SF/SJ Bay Area of Northern California
Has thanked: 1328 times
Been thanked: 1568 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:26 am

Wikimedia is effed up then. It really makes no sense to me. When you click the redirected page link at the top, then click the big link from the redirect page, it takes you to the properly named page with anchor. This is a design flaw.
AlanOfTheBerg
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 23587
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:48 pm
Location: US Country Manager - Oregon, USA
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4770 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby kentsmith9 » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:17 am

AlanOfTheBerg wrote:IMO, I do not like the way the redirect works because it uses the redirect page name as the pagename#pagename. For example, searching for "parking lots" redirects https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Parking_lots#Parking_Lots when it really should be redirecting to https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_edi ... rking_Lots.

While I agree with you, that is Wikimedia. I just ran a similar test on Wikipedia and get the same result. FAD. I doubt we could change that operation considering Wikipedia does it now.
kentsmith9
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5192
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm
Location: SF/SJ Bay Area of Northern California
Has thanked: 1328 times
Been thanked: 1568 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:15 am

IMO, I do not like the way the redirect works because it uses the redirect page name as the pagename#pagename. For example, searching for "parking lots" redirects https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Parking_lots#Parking_Lots when it really should be redirecting to https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Best_map_edi ... rking_Lots.
AlanOfTheBerg
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 23587
Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:48 pm
Location: US Country Manager - Oregon, USA
Has thanked: 1123 times
Been thanked: 4770 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section  Topic is solved

Postby kentsmith9 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 4:57 am

Note that as of the February Wiki update, our redirects to subsections now works and we do not need any workaround for things to work as expected.
kentsmith9
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5192
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm
Location: SF/SJ Bay Area of Northern California
Has thanked: 1328 times
Been thanked: 1568 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby sirKitKat » Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:11 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:The one thing I see missing from that above idea is when you want to direct into a part of a page to have context. A stand alone page for just one portion of a page may not work in all cases. Permalink is certainly one that that can stand alone very easily when someone searches from the Wiki. All our other links can go direct from within a Wiki page.

True

kentsmith9 wrote:
sirKitKat wrote:Including ARegularWikiPage in an other page is done by {{:ARegularWikiPage}}

That is news to me and very cool indeed. I can see definite uses for that. :)

Maybe I can learn you an other cool trick:
Wikimarkup between <includeonly>will only appear when included in an other page</includeonly>
Wikimarkup between <noinclude>will only appear on the page itself</noinclude>
(By wikimarkup I mean the sourcecode of the text, incluing: links, images, tables, ...)
If you have any question about what can be done and what not with wikimarkup, don't hesitate to ask!
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 658
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 345 times
Been thanked: 134 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:11 am

sirKitKat wrote:Including ARegularWikiPage in an other page is done by {{:ARegularWikiPage}}

That is news to me and very cool indeed. I can see definite uses for that. :)

sirKitKat wrote:Maybe wait until there is more news from waze on the #redirect [[Page#section]].

Ultimately this should not need to be done if our Wiki was working properly. I agree we wait to see what they can do for us and if they fail, we can create some cool alternate solutions. ;)

The one thing I see missing from that above idea is when you want to direct into a part of a page to have context. A stand alone page for just one portion of a page may not work in all cases. Permalink is certainly one that that can stand alone very easily when someone searches from the Wiki. All our other links can go direct from within a Wiki page.
kentsmith9
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5192
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm
Location: SF/SJ Bay Area of Northern California
Has thanked: 1328 times
Been thanked: 1568 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby sirKitKat » Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:43 pm

kentsmith9 wrote:OH. You are proposing we create a specific page on Permalink with ALL the content of the Permalink information. That way Permalink is no longer a sub section on a page, but its own page enabling the search to find it directly. Got it.

Yep, that is/was suggestion A.

I suppose you know how templates work but did you know you can do the following:
Including Template:NameOfTemplate in a page is done by {{NameOfTemplate}}
Including ARegularWikiPage in an other page is done by {{:ARegularWikiPage}}

This means that you can have a specific page with the explanation of a Permalink on its own AND include this explanation in a permalink section on the Waze Map Editor page ;)

If you want to learn more about the possibilities of templates, I invite you to look at some of the Benelux Roads pages

kentsmith9 wrote:I will need to reread your prior post later tonight with this new information and see if that helps my understanding of the rest of your proposal to change the template. ;)

With the new information I learned from you, it feels like my proposal is overkill in contrast with the triple Permalink solution :) Maybe wait until there is more news from waze on the #redirect [[Page#section]].
sirKitKat
Wiki Master
Wiki Master
 
Posts: 658
Joined: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:50 pm
Location: BE-Deinze / Waze wiki: Benelux
Has thanked: 345 times
Been thanked: 134 times

Re: REDIRECT to page section

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:38 pm

OH. You are proposing we create a specific page on Permalink with ALL the content of the Permalink information. That way Permalink is no longer a sub section on a page, but its own page enabling the search to find it directly. Got it.

I will need to reread your prior post later tonight with this new information and see if that helps my understanding of the rest of your proposal to change the template. ;)
kentsmith9
Waze Global Champs
Waze Global Champs
 
Posts: 5192
Joined: Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:33 pm
Location: SF/SJ Bay Area of Northern California
Has thanked: 1328 times
Been thanked: 1568 times

Next

Return to Wiki Updates and Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Feedfetcher