Ferry Mapping page

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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby iainhouse » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:37 pm

CBenson wrote:
mrgrumpy wrote:I wouldn't use Waze to, necessarily, choose my crossing point.

Out of curiosity, why not?


There are too many variables involved to leave it to a satnav.

There are RORO (roll-on, roll-off) ferries that cover different routes - they may put you nearer your destination but take longer. They all run on different schedules and have different costs. When I used to use them on a motorbike, there was always room for a bike and you could basically turn up & go, but in a car at peak times you might have to wait for a couple of sailings or book in advance. There's also the consideration that they may not run regular crossings 24h/day, or with fewer sailings at night.

There's also the Channel Tunnel (which I've not used myself). That takes a different amount of time again, goes to a different destination and has a different cost.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby mrgrumpy » Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:41 pm

Yep. What they said.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby nhanway » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:04 pm

Im jumping in here. I am an editior based out of Seattle, WA. We have a lot of ferries in WA especially in Seattle Area. I have been routed on ferries and they work perfectly in Waze.

I agree that we shouldn't spend a lot of time working on a ferry wiki until Waze adds Ferry road type.

But I think it would be helpful to give some guildline on when to and not to map ferries. And if ferries should be mapped how should you map them.

Here is what I have learned to work well in Washington State and learned from this forum:
Ferries should be mapped if:
*You can drive on and drive off. (Passenger Ferries not mapped unless significant GPS trace's causing UR's, then mapped as Private Rd.)
*You can buy tickets whenever (pre booking ferries should not be mapped(or set to private))
*Ferry is accessible to the general public(no private ferries)

*You need to be able to edit AT LEAST both ports. The entire area is preferable.
*Turn on GPS points. It seems like people like to leave Waze on in the ferry. Draw a road on the ACTUAL path the car would take. Draw the road using the GPS points to align with the usual path of the ferry in the water.
*Have the road right up to the part of the dock where it would load.
*Road type should match whats on either side, don't use Private, Freeway or Parking lot road type. If the Ferry is part of the highway system it should be mapped as Major/ Minor Highway
*Draw an entrance segment, make this one way road a "Toll Road" unless the ferry is free. Then make exit road that is not tolled. Don't make the whole ferry segment a toll.

And I haven't seen the following used be for but I guess they would work.
*Don't forget to use time restrictions.
*The first ferry of the day is when it should open.
*The last ferry of the day is when it should close.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby kentsmith9 » Fri Feb 14, 2014 4:51 pm

This generally sounds good. I think we should also list when and why not to add the Ferries discussed that cause problems like crossings longer than a few hours, must purchase ticket in advance, etc. We should also note in there that this feature will likely change with greater Ferry support in a future version (coming soon). :)
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby nhanway » Fri Feb 14, 2014 8:02 pm

I have made my edits to talk page. let me know what you think and/or make changes to the page.

Thanks
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby petervdveen » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:37 pm

Timbones wrote:I'm reluctant to use Freeway or Highway for ferries, as on the map it will look like continuous roadway, which it isn't.

I don't think there are really a lot of Freeways (multi-lane with at grade junctions) with a ferry in between ;-)
Also, I have a very good experience with mapping in the same as the connecting roads.
Besides, I don't think there is much of a delay at ferries.

Example:
It shows 4 minutes and I think, for the time of the day now that's very accurate.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby kentsmith9 » Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:15 am

Nice work. I hope you don't mind that I did some formatting to match similar Wiki pages. I also added a Under construction message box to alert users who might happen to stumble onto this page before we are done.

I added some questions I think we should consider answering within the page and a couple of suggestions.

If you think any of my changes are incorrect let's fix them, but I think I have it captured based on this thread.

I did change the order of the decision tree for when to map ferries to start with the list of when not to map them. This is similar to the format we used for when NOT to split roads.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby nhanway » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:08 pm

Take a look at the ferry page and look over some of the improvements I have made. I think some of the steps could be made more clear...

I cant figure how to make step 3. move over to line up with the others... Currently its all the way over on the right... So if you can fix that, GREAT!

Let me know what you all think, make corrections or edits as necessary

I also added a section for future ferry support. Its full of Information I have gathered from the forum and from personal experience. Add/Edit that as necessary as well.

You can PM me if you have any other suggestions or comments you would rather not post on the forum.

Also maybe it would be a good idea to add a list of Ferry Experts at the bottom. Editors that have mapped and have a great deal of experience with ferries. Like myself. And include links to there contact information.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby CBenson » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:24 pm

I'm don't understand what not mapping "Ferries with no set schedule" is intended to address. We have a few ferries that cross small rivers that run whenever a car shows up. Seems like they should be mapped.
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Re: Ferry Mapping page

Postby nhanway » Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:55 pm

This is a good point. I will fix that. I think the intention was to prevent super small ferries that people might be directed to when they aren't running (like 3AM).

Do the Ferries you are referring to run 24-7?
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