[Page Update] Junction Style Guide

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby voludu2 » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:59 pm

As there were no objections to the reorganization of the material on loops and roundabouts, I have made the change referenced above

https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p1128903

https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Junction_Style_Guide#Loops.

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby deeploz » Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:03 am

voludu2 wrote:I have made the change referenced above


Thank you.
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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby voludu2 » Tue Jun 16, 2015 11:42 pm

Do we need to do something about the guidance to add a driveway to "cover for" any "extra" nodes in a loop?
1) remove all mention of it (and with it the mention of educating editors as an alternative)
2) add more words to clarify that it must be a "good" driveway, and that, really, obscuring the purpose of the node by hiding it under a driveway won't necessarily protect it.
3) leave the wording exactly the way it is.

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby qwaletee » Mon Jun 22, 2015 8:50 pm

I don't really care one way or another. For (2), just linking to the correct usage would be enough.
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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby PesachZ » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:21 pm

I don't think we should be adding extra elements "to cover" for proper making technique. If the loop needs a node that should reason enough not to delete it. The tools don't automatically harm these nodes, the only protection they need is from deliberate action by malicious or unknowing editors.

Driveways won't help malice, and for the unknowing do we want to encourage bad practice by showing them all these unneeded driveways? No.

If the driveways are needed by their own merit, then we don't need to mention them under loops regardless.

I leaning to option A

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby DwarfLord » Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:28 pm

What PesachZ said :). Also inclined towards Option A.


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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby sketch » Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:58 am

I third the motion. First option.
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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby voludu2 » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:20 pm

I removed the advice to add a driveway. i left in the advice to educate new editors.

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby PesachZ » Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:58 am

I want to start a discussion on adding documentation and guidance for two segment uturns. This feature was included in the uturn feature roll with client v 3.9.4 but got little attention. It has been tested extensively for the development of the Junction Angle Info script.

The current findings show a turn between two segments, regardless of if other segments are connected to the same Junction, will provide a "make a Uturn" prompt. Provided the turnangle is above 168.24° ±0.5°. There have been inconsistent results in the gray area (167.74°-168.74°) sometimes giving a turn left, others a uturn.

Guidance should indicate simply turns with an angle above 170° can generate a uturn prompt, to be safe and ensure the prompt is given the angle should be set with 5° buffer, above 175°. These angles should be used when junctions are made using the bow-tie style, and anywhere else they are appropriate.

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Re: [Page Update] Junction Style Guide

Postby DwarfLord » Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:05 pm

PesachZ wrote:Guidance should indicate simply turns with an angle above 170° can generate a uturn prompt, to be safe and ensure the prompt is given the angle should be set with 5° buffer, above 175°. These angles should be used when junctions are made using the bow-tie style, and anywhere else they are appropriate.

It would be great to get this into the documentation!

I'm fine with 170, but reluctant to embrace 175. The latter is extremely difficult to make using micro-geometry nodes and WME's default snapping distance.

Many editors who read the wiki do not use Toolbox, and thus won't adjust their snapping distance. These editors will have to make the geometry larger to accomplish 175. But, as a result, their work may end up large enough to affect drivers' display experience.

Or it may end up undone by the simplification script. I'm aware that Toolbox's simplification script has been disabled for US editors of Rank 4 and below, but I am also well aware of Rank 5 and Rank 6 editors who have used it en masse, one even during MapRaids that nominally forbid mass editing. Even with the new restriction I still regard the simplification script as a severe danger to micro-geometry nodes unless they are created very carefully.

It is important the guidance get published. I just feel we must trust editors with 170 or greater, rather than specifying 175. If the Wiki is effectively going to require editors to use a third-party script, it would be much better to require Junction Angle Info than Toolbox.
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