[Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:26 pm

CBenson wrote:I agree with your logic. But, if we are going to mark every urban pay parking lot as an area place, we are essentially conceding that downtown areas will be completely covered with area places. Such lots aren't reference points for navigation, they are just potential destinations.

I don't see why every PLot needs to be an Area.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:45 am

I'm cool with including this back in the main article. I would like to see the current convention as posted in other places in the wiki, especially in the current Places page, of "Area Place" and "Point Place" updated.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:16 am

kentsmith9 wrote:
AlanOfTheBerg wrote:I would like to see the current convention as posted in other places in the wiki, especially in the current Places page, of "Area Place" and "Point Place" updated.

I am not sure I know what you meant here. Are you referencing following the Wiki Style Guide or something different?

No. "Area Place" and "Point Place" are already on regular use in the Places wiki page as well as the forum. It is also compact and the least grammatically confusing way to use the terms. So, I suggest not using "Place (point)" or "Place point" or other ways to reference the two types of Places.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby AlanOfTheBerg » Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:46 am

sketch wrote:I thought that's what you meant, but I think you may have meant to say "used here" or "applied here" instead of "updated". I agree, of course.

Yes, me typing too fast and used the wrong word.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:49 pm

I guess I'm not sure yet how to handle the public garage in the urban building. In my experience in urban setting, many buildings include a garage that is leased to a company that operates the garage for profit by providing public parking. These garages are open to the public for general purposes. Although they may be filled primarily with those that work in the building or nearby and pay to be able to repeatedly park there, they are frequently also open to daily/hourly parking as well when space is available. These seem to be the type of garage that was not to be landmarked previously. However, under this proposal these would seem to qualify. One thing that has changed significantly is that multiple labels can be applied to a place. Thus, if the building is otherwise marked as a place, it is straight-forward to simply add the parking category as well if there is public garage.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:17 pm

DwarfLord wrote:My thinking on this shifted due to Waze's explicit endorsement of landmarking private businesses.


I agree with your logic. But, if we are going to mark every urban pay parking lot as an area place, we are essentially conceding that downtown areas will be completely covered with area places. Such lots aren't reference points for navigation, they are just potential destinations.

I guess the question becomes - are we intending to mark every office building as an area place? If so, then there is certainly no reason not including parking as a category for such a place. On the other hand, if we are marking office buildings primarily as points, except when they are a particularly notable location that would be used for navigational reference such as say the Sears Tower or Rockefeller Center, then it would seem silly to mark the garage underneath as an area place.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:33 pm

Then the draft needs be altered to reflect when to use an area and when to use a point, doesn't it?
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:41 pm

DwarfLord wrote:Since I don't really know how Points present I still have my Area blinders on when trying to answer this question.

Totally agree.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:59 pm

I'm not sure which to choose without knowing the properties of the places. It does seem to me that this guidance could be essentially be applied to all places (or at least those listed as "size dependent" on the places page) not just parking lots.
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Re: [Updated Page Proposal] The Parking-Lot Place Area

Postby CBenson » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:30 pm

It seems to me that the language in the Parking Lot section of the Best map editing practice page contradicts the area/point guidance provide on the Places/Parking lot page. I have proposed eliminating the area/point guidance on that page and simply referring to the Places/Parking lot page here.
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