Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:25 pm
DwarfLord wrote:This is really great work! I have two comments -- a simple one, and one less simple.
The simple comment -- I would suggest using the word "avatar" instead of "icon" when referring to the hard-hat image representing an editor on the WME map. "Icon" is not wrong but "avatar" specifically means an image that represents a person. This could help reduce confusion because there are other icons (like the Rank Cone for example) but only one avatar.
DwarfLord wrote:The less simple comment involves an aspect of the WME chat I didn't see discussed clearly: I worry that the chat "steals fire" from the forums, in two ways.
First, it sometimes appears that many newer editors see the chat as an easier alternative to searching the forums (not to mention the wikis). If there are other editors present who are happy to help, no problem. But if the questioner receives a frosty response or no response at all, having had the bad luck to be the 1,536th person to ask why his editing points aren't updating, the unmet expectation of cheery help could lead to hard feelings. Should it be stated (in red boldface perhaps!) that the chat is not a substitute for searching the forums and wikis?
Second, if a junior editor wants to do something odd or questionable and has found one or two more senior editors who agree with his/her plan, it's hard to resist the temptation to forge ahead without any mention in the forums. Since the chats themselves are not saved, much less archived where they are visible to all, that leaves no record of the plan or the thought process for other editors (both present and future) to learn from. I am not sure how to address this, but it worries me.
That being said, again, this is great stuff, thanks for the good work.
Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:48 pm
kentsmith9 wrote:vectorspace wrote:
- The rapid-pace, real-time nature of WME Chat may sometimes cause those few participating there to make decisions on specific edits and editing policy that are not shared or socialized with others as they normally would be in the Forum and Wiki. There is no record of WME Chat available to the general editor population. While this can be good to make things move fast, it can also lead to conflict with others who may feel a need to know about what you've done or decided.
- Each time something significant occurs in WME Chat that could breach Wiki or Forum Etiquette, make sure to follow up later by posting in the Forum, suggesting a change to the Wiki, or sending Private Messages (PMs) to other editors that may have interest.
Great points. I would further suggest that we also add something to say:No decision should be implemented that goes against the current recommendations and guidelines in the Wiki or Forum until that decision is brought up in the forums for further review. Then if that decision is supported, the Wiki and appropriate Forum entry should be updated to reflect the change in recommendation or guidance.
Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:03 pm
CBenson wrote:Should we mention somewhere that creating a permalink functions as a browser refresh and thus erases all messages?
I lost my chat history. Why?
Chat history in the current WME Chat is erased each time you reload your browser window, including when you create a Permalink. Consider only refreshing your screen from the main menu of the editor as noted elsewhere in this article.
Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:07 pm
Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:21 pm
WME Chat Wiki Guidance
Now that we've had experience using WME Chat, I thought it was a good idea to create a Wiki page on this feature that would help the Waze Community. There was awesome participation by a team to come up with a near-final draft of this page.
I wanted to let the Champ Community know about this so you could weigh in with any comments and ideas the team had missed.
The Wiki page is "Waze Map Editor/Chat" or you can search "WME Chat."
Wiki page: https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/WME_Chat
Forum Discussion: https://www.waze.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=276&t=89344
This team was mostly a North American group, so one thing that is obviously missing is an international slant on this topic. We could use help there if there are country-based differences on this topic.
Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:17 am
PesachZ wrote:... I'm not sure you notice I also incorporated this into a new section
#Refresh or reload
Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:27 am
kentsmith9 wrote:In the troubleshooting section I propose we consider shorter section headings for the issues. Simpler headings are easier to scan and link from other places. We can move the detailed question into the answer below the heading. I might propose:
=== WME Chat does not exist in my editor window ===
>>>>>>> Missing Chat display
=== A specific editor does not respond to me in WME Chat ===
>>>>>>> Specific editor not responding
=== I lost my chat history. Why? ===
>>>>>>> Chat history lost
=== Chat was working fine, now I don't see any messages? ===
>>>>>>> No chat messages
=== When I post a comment, it shows up multiple times in the chat window. ===
>>>>>>> Duplicated chat responses
Alterations invited if I am missing some key points
Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:26 pm