[Updated] House Numbers in WME

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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby pinpusher » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:37 pm

Wait, I tried that and it does not work, best I could do is move it to the corner. :-(
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby pinpusher » Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:35 pm

Try moving the stop point away from Wolcott and closer to Blanchard. Wait two days & it should be OK.
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby CBenson » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:12 pm

tonestertm wrote:
CBenson wrote:Where does the pin show if you select the autofill result?
The second image. Sorry, I thought that specifying on Mulberry Hill Rd would be enough... :)

Great. So the Waze stop point is overriding the Google result if you select either "2172 Mulberry Hill Rd, Annapolis, MD" or "2172 Mulberry Hill Road, Annapolis, MD" from the autofill list. This is the same result I get.
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby tonestertm » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:01 pm

CBenson wrote:Where does the pin show if you select the autofill result?
The second image. Sorry, I thought that specifying on Mulberry Hill Rd would be enough... :)

There is a HN in WME:
Holy carp, Batman! I didn't zoom out far enough to see that one. :(
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby qwaletee » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:56 pm

tonestertm wrote:...
  • Matching Favorites, if any, will top the list, with a star icon at the left.
  • Previous results come next ... with a light blue "clock" icon on the left.
  • The immediately following result in autofills display a magnifying glass on the left and will take you directly to the full search results for those words without having to scroll to the bottom. Note that there may be multiple suggestions, depending on the entry.
  • New results follow, and use a "map pin" icon.
Tapping the diagonally upward pointing arrow at the right will populate the autofill search box with the result words shown in that given box without going to the full result page.
...


You are an awesome human being. I never examined this foundational piece of the UI that closely before.
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby CBenson » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:24 am

tonestertm wrote:
CBenson wrote:My current test case is 2172 Mulberry Hill Rd, Annapolis, MD. I'd be happy for anyone to check to see what results they get for this address. Some users seem to get different results than I do.
In autofill I get "2172 Mulberry Hill Road" with map marker as soon as I get to the "h" in Hill.

Where does the pin show if you select the autofill result?
Here:
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or here:
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tonestertm wrote: Popping that result up to the search box and going full search (more results...) with it, it doesn't come up in the Waze listings, and nothing in the Google listings, either. (Possibly due to my being on the other coast.)

Yes, the resultults are likely limited if you are that far away.

tonestertm wrote:If I go back and shorten Road to Rd, I get an autofill result, "2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" with a map marker. Both of the autofill results show me a point on Mulberry Hill Road which would appear to be the correct spot, but I can't tell for sure, because there's no HN in WME, and no Street View there. ;)

There is a HN in WME:
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tonestertm wrote:After adding "annapolis" to either "Road" or "Rd" and doing a full search, I then get a Waze result for, seemingly randomly, "2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" " 2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" (note the space in front of the number) but no Google result. It also alternately tells me it's either 2304 or 2421 miles away (no connection to the space/no space result), but when tapping the result, it shows the pin in the correct spot every time. Let me know if I didn't say any of this clearly, or if you'd like further experimentation.

Again which spot is the pin showing?
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby tonestertm » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:36 pm

DwarfLord wrote:I would start by asking them to remove any instances of the address from their recents and/or favorites list. Then I would ask them to search for the address from scratch. A list will pop up as they type with various icons and text. But I am still not sure what to tell them next to maximize the likelihood that their routing problem will be solved.
First thing is to try a few variations yourself, in the app, and see what happens. If it works fine, all you need to do is guide them according to what you've observed. Barring that, tell them to click the result with the magnifying/search glass icon, and use the result from the Waze tab--once you've verified that it routes properly in livemap or the app.

CBenson wrote:I agree with what you are saying and the screenshoot is a good example of the various icons. However, I would note that POI and address searches are conducted differently. So the waze house numbers will not effect a search for "Trader Joe's."
I knew that was going to come up, and meant to say something about it, but I was half-asleep when I posted. :) Yes, mainly I was just trying to illustrate the different icons. Searching directly for an address can behave a little differently. Another point I wanted to make was that, since the Favorite and the previous results show at the top of the list, where users are most likely to tap, it's much easier to just have the user delete them first, than try to tell them not to use results with "a star or a clock" each time.

CBenson wrote:My current test case is 2172 Mulberry Hill Rd, Annapolis, MD. I'd be happy for anyone to check to see what results they get for this address. Some users seem to get different results than I do.
In autofill I get "2172 Mulberry Hill Road" with map marker as soon as I get to the "h" in Hill. Popping that result up to the search box and going full search (more results...) with it, it doesn't come up in the Waze listings, and nothing in the Google listings, either. (Possibly due to my being on the other coast.) If I go back and shorten Road to Rd, I get an autofill result, "2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" with a map marker. Both of the autofill results show me a point on Mulberry Hill Road which would appear to be the correct spot, but I can't tell for sure, because there's no HN in WME, and no Street View there. ;)

After adding "annapolis" to either "Road" or "Rd" and doing a full search, I then get a Waze result for, seemingly randomly, "2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" " 2172 Mulberry Hill Rd" (note the space in front of the number) but no Google result. It also alternately tells me it's either 2304 or 2421 miles away (no connection to the space/no space result), but when tapping the result, it shows the pin in the correct spot every time. Let me know if I didn't say any of this clearly, or if you'd like further experimentation.
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby CBenson » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:38 pm

sketch wrote:I wasn't aware that it was still possible to manually select a Google address result even with a matched Waze result, though. As far as I know, the Instant results (which are all Google) do go through the Waze matching process. I could be wrong here as well, but I hope not.

My current test case is 2172 Mulberry Hill Rd, Annapolis, MD. I'd be happy for anyone to check to see what results they get for this address. Some users seem to get different results than I do.

DwarfLord wrote:2. In order to get to the part of the app where one can select Google as a data source, one must scroll to the bottom of the default results screen and select "More results for xxx". So rephrasing my question: once the House Number is in Waze and updated etc., is the Google result for a street address -- provided a Waze match is found -- always relegated to the "More results for..." process?

This works a little differently for me (I'm using Android 4.4.2). When typing a search term, a soft keyboard is shown. This keyboard has a search glass button that whenever tapped will bypass the autofill results and take me to the search results with the search provider tabs. So I don't necessarily need to scroll to the bottom to get to the search results. Additionally, if I have a slow network connection, waze may not display the autofill results at all, in which case the only way to get any results is to tap the search glass button.

DwarfLord wrote:FYI all, here is the revised language for the new item in the House Numbers article:
The Waze app cannot update the position of an address already listed as a recent or favorite destination. The user must add the destination again to obtain the most recent position data. Removing any existing instances of the destination before doing so will reduce the chance of confusion.

This sounds good to me.

tonestertm wrote:So in this case, the first item on the list is the Trader Joe's listing

I agree with what you are saying and the screenshoot is a good example of the various icons. However, I would note that POI and address searches are conducted differently. So the waze house numbers will not effect a search for "Trader Joe's."
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby DwarfLord » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:34 pm

So, in this case...

  • The user has an existing recent and/or favorite for an address but this does not route well because of the location of the Google pin;
  • In response, I have "touched" the user's house number, adjusted the stop point, and "touched" a nearby segment to force a tile update;
  • The Google pin has intentionally not been modified; and
  • Status shows that tiles have updated.

...what do I tell the user to do?

I would start by asking them to remove any instances of the address from their recents and/or favorites list. Then I would ask them to search for the address from scratch. A list will pop up as they type with various icons and text. But I am still not sure what to tell them next to maximize the likelihood that their routing problem will be solved.
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Re: [Updated] House Numbers in WME

Postby tonestertm » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:44 am

While it is not necessary to delete the previous destination result, it is advantageous, because of the likelihood of the average user accidentally selecting the old result when doing a new search. It's much easier to just do away with the bad data than to have to dance around it.

When doing a search; (refer to the image below)
  • Matching Favorites, if any, will top the list, with a star icon at the left.
  • Previous results come next, and in the absence of a matching favorite, will almost always populate the top of the list, with a light blue "clock" icon on the left.
  • The immediately following result in autofills display a magnifying glass on the left and will take you directly to the full search results for those words without having to scroll to the bottom. Note that there may be multiple suggestions, depending on the entry.
  • New results follow, and use a "map pin" icon.
Tapping the diagonally upward pointing arrow at the right will populate the autofill search box with the result words shown in that given box without going to the full result page.

So in this case, the first item on the list is the Trader Joe's listing in my favorites, followed by a previously searched result for a different location, which in turn is followed by a suggestion for a full search based on the letters I've entered so far which, if tapped, will go to the full results search using that entry as the search term.
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and we can see the new results at the bottom of the list, indicated by a map marker.
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