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Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:13 pm
by qwaletee
OK, great, I remember seeing that somewhere, forgot about it, thanks. It might not be a bug, might be a decision they made to sort of force "quick exits" from the private roads where possible. Or might be a bug :) Even if intentional, it has a bad assumption, which is that if you are on the same segment, you are close to a particular entrance, and certainly has unintended consequences for such cases.

If that's the case, one could indeed resolve it along the lines of your proposal, by simply having an "unnecessary" 5m segment at each junction with public roads.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:15 pm
by sketch
Right, and not even necessarily 5 m; if there's a gatehouse, that segment could start at the gatehouse, so people wouldn't be led back in just to go back out.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:19 pm
by CBenson
sketch wrote:CBenson, maybe we should tell staff about it.


I raised it with Amit in the context of parking lot roads back when I became aware of the issue in this thread. But maybe its worth repeating and noting that (not surprisingly) its the same for private roads.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:13 am
by sketch
Want to add it to the form?

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:04 am
by CBenson
sketch wrote:Want to add it to the form?

Sure, done.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:22 pm
by CBenson
The result from submitting this example on the form is:
The penalty for going out of the parking lot road is given. The problem is, that the penalties on the first segment are taken with a factor of the location on the segment. Since we are about mid-segment here, only 50% of the penalty is used. We will look into this further to see how we can fix it. ​

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 3:43 am
by qwaletee
CBenson wrote:The result from submitting this example on the form is:
The penalty for going out of the parking lot road is given. The problem is, that the penalties on the first segment are taken with a factor of the location on the segment. Since we are about mid-segment here, only 50% of the penalty is used. We will look into this further to see how we can fix it. ​


This is very good, very specific information. Thank you.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 7:22 pm
by sketch
Though it seems even at the far end it'll still do the same thing. Is that a limitation of the live map? Does live map always start you at the middle of the segment anyway? (Judging by the WME travel time script, this is the case.)

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:11 am
by qwaletee
I think there are some mysterious gremlins in Livemap deciding where a "dropped pin" actually sits. It isn't entirely consistent. That may be partially due to the maximum zoom, and maybe some funky "try to find the nearest mapped location" logic.

Re: No through traffic

PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:30 pm
by Seakyle0712
Private Roads would define "No thru traffic" so unless you cannot access your destination without going another route, It would prohibit you from going on this road.