[Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby davielde » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:59 am

DwarfLord wrote:Thanks, sounds like support for the suggested clarification (?).

Since I couldn't re-read the OP in Tapatalk, I suppose it was support :) . At the very least, I would recommend removing everything from "UNLESS" onward from the existing wiki guidance.

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davielde wrote:For divided highways that are not split roads in Waze, enabling the Waze U should still be discouraged at this time because it's not just the voice instructions but all instructions that are off. Perhaps that should factor into someone's decision to split a road.

Getting slightly OT but I would like to understand this better. It sounds like you would advise that all roads divided in reality should also be split in Waze?

No, I would not advise that all divided roads in reality should be split roads in Waze. The presence of or need for u-turns could factor into an editor's decision but should not be the only criteria. I'm fine with the existing criteria for split roads, one aspect of which is "U-turns are required to properly make turns that are blocked by a median".
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[Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby davielde » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:55 pm

sketch wrote:The screenshots uploaded by davielde and ottonomy

When did those occur?

March 2014 on 3.7.8 with iOS for mine. When did your screenshot occur for the "used to", and was in shown in a beta at that point?
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby dmcrandall » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:46 am

Ran into a UR about Waze directing a driver into a dead end street to make a U-turn. I closed it before remembering this thread (courtesy of Otto).

Here's the link to the UR. Hopefully you can get something from it before it closes out completely.

https://www.waze.com/editor/?zoom=5&lat ... st=3910028
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby driving79 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:38 pm

Hi guys, can we update the wiki? Editors are going around disabling valid uturns. From what I understand, this is ok to have them there if valid. They are not harming anything, but once u-turns ever goes live, they will be there ready. It's not something we should be going actively out and pursuing (i.e. not high priority at this time). Mainly this area here where you shouldn't have them at all, no ifs, ands, or buts needs to be updated/removed:

To prevent the confusion this could cause among drivers, do not enable the U-turn restriction under any circumstances whatsoever. Keep all U-turn restrictions red everywhere, even in cases where local law or signage permit U-turns, and even if drivers are complaining that U-turns should be enabled.
https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Map_Editing_ ... de#U-Turns
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby driving79 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:50 pm

I haven't seen either problem in a long time now, and I thought it was fixed? Will see if we can get confirmation.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby driving79 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:16 pm

voludu2 - I think it needs something about not making it a priority to add these at this time. Also, not so sure about the last sentence....but trying to think of a way to make it a bit more clear. Yes, I realize this is not helpful. :)
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby driving79 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:22 pm

If the u-turn arrow is correct, it is a 2-way segment and there is a legit u-turn, then leave it alone. No need to change it back to not allowed like we were doing. Waze routing does not currently use the u-turns, but once it does (correctly) then it will be ok.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby driving79 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:03 pm

Take out "but not necessary" at he end of the first sentence, and I think it's great.
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[Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby DwarfLord » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:40 am

On 12 January, text was added to the Map Editing Quick-start Guide regarding the U-turn indicator that remains in the present wiki:
Map Editing Quick-start Guide wrote:NOTE: The U-Turn doesn't have a proper navigation announcement (i.e. "Make A U-Turn"), but it will still route you that way. The current policy is to disable all U-Turns UNLESS the road is a divided highway that doesn't meet the requirements to be split.

But, one doesn't use the U-turn turn restriction for divided highways, right? Rather one enables a double-left or a bowtie hard left. So doesn't this policy basically say that the U-turn turn restriction should always be red, everywhere, everyplace, all the time?

If that is the correct interpretation of the text, and that really is current policy, I'd like to modify the quick-start guide to be clearer, something like: "The current policy is not to use the U-turn turn restriction under any circumstances. It should always be set red to disallow U-turns regardless of whether local law or signage permit U-turns. At such time as U-turn voice instructions are implemented this policy will likely change."

Like many of us who process URs in an urban area, I see many URs complaining about the lack of U-turns in routes. Should I tell reporters -- and please, forgive the blunt language, I don't mind positive spin but I also want to be honest and concise -- "Waze considers U-turns when preparing a route, but unfortunately it cannot yet give U-turn voice instructions. To avoid routing drivers in a way that will lack critical voice instructions, the editing community has decided to disable nearly all U-turns, including this one, for the indefinite future." :shock:
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby DwarfLord » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:17 am

Thanks, sounds like support for the suggested clarification (?).

davielde wrote:For divided highways that are not split roads in Waze, enabling the Waze U should still be discouraged at this time because it's not just the voice instructions but all instructions that are off. Perhaps that should factor into someone's decision to split a road.

Getting slightly OT but I would like to understand this better. It sounds like you would advise that all roads divided in reality should also be split in Waze?

I'm aware of the issue with Waze thinking an address on the opposite side of the road is accessible when in reality it isn't and a U-turn is required to reach it. But it seems to me there are a lot of situations where that isn't a problem. Are there other things besides that issue? And, the Best map editing practice wiki says splitting is generally only done for MH and F types and goes out of its way to say that the mere presence of a non-drivable median is not enough to split a road in Waze...I guess I'm confused :? but I'm confused a lot of the time :D
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