[Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:19 pm

ottonomy wrote:Are you referring to occurrences of dead-end U-turns being used in routing as turn-arounds, or the separate issue we've been discussing here about U-turns on two-way segments displaying misleading prompts (for the next turn, rather than for the U)?

Based on a PM with Noam, they are looking for more of the second one, but if anyone has any of the first one they can use that as well.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:24 pm

DwarfLord wrote:
qwaletee wrote:either Waze NEVER gives a U-turn instruction because it can't, in which case, why all the fuss about making sure they are all disabled? Or, Waze CAN give such an instruction, but rarely does (never seen it documented), in which case, why aren't we setting them up correctly?

If I follow what others are saying, Waze CANNOT give a voice announcement for a U-turn, but it CAN provide a route that requires one. If both were CANNOT, or both were CAN, everything would be fine.

Based on what was posted earlier in the thread, the Waze route includes the U-Turn in the navigation, but fails to send the instruction to TTS and the display list, so the driver has no idea what happened.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 4:31 pm

I just sent a message to Waze staff asking them to confirm this cannot somehow by fixed temporarily in the client to ignore U-turn guidance (until it is fully enabled in the client). The amount of work that has been done by the Waze editing community is incredible to just throw it away! :evil:
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:46 pm

davielde wrote:As an example, you would not be doing users a favor to have the following behavior on any road, not simply a divided highway that's not split in Waze. As seen in the screenshot, the next turn is in three miles--behind you...?

Interesting. When U-Turns were enabled in the editor, I set up a bunch in my neighborhood in order to see when they were working in the client, but I have never seen any on-screen navigation show the U-Turn in action with or without the voice navigation. However I am not sure what else would cause your on screen example other than this. If true, this is really sad because so many people have been setting U-Turn instructions in the streets of SF one by one to get them ready when it works. This guidance says to disable all of them and start over when it comes back. Maybe there is a better way on the app side that we can get ways to implement.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby kentsmith9 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:56 am

Just be sure to use the {{As of}} template so we can find this guidance in the future since we know it will eventually change.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby karlcr9911 » Thu Dec 25, 2014 1:54 am

purposeguy wrote:I've since been "on patrol," removing U-turns wherever I find them.


It's not necessary to remove the 'legal' ones you find, which is stated in the u-turn wiki guidelines...FYI

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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby HandofMadness » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:49 pm

Unless what voludu2 mentions has been fixed, I think the current rule should still stand.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby Fredo-p » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:21 am

purposeguy wrote:FYI, I was routed down a dead end street with a U-turn at the end two days ago. I'm running a V3.7.8.0 client. There was no U-turn symbol on the screen and no voice prompt for a turn at the end of the street. It was definitely looking ahead to the next turn.


Could you provide a permalink to the location of your drive so a local editor can look into this u-turn issue?
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby DwarfLord » Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:09 pm

There's a fair bit of discussion on it in the WME v1.6 release - (v169) release thread.
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Re: [Clarify/Update Page] U-turn policy?

Postby DwarfLord » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:19 am

There are three separate issues actually.

There is the issue discussed in this thread where Waze will provide a route that requires a U-turn but will not give any instructions to do so, which is mind-bogglingly confusing to the driver. There is also the completely separate issue where, if a U-turn is enabled at the dead end of even a long road, Waze seems to enjoy sending drivers all the way down the road to do the U-turn even when better choices are available. Then finally there is the workaround for dead-end roads, which is to disable U-turns at dead ends by selecting the dead-end node and pressing 'q' (there is no longer any visual indication that you've succeeded unless you're running the WME Validator plugin).

You're right that we can't do anything about the first two issues, but if we know where the dead end was that had the U-turn enabled, an editor can at least implement the workaround.

If the drive you took is still in your "recent drives" list, accessible from a tab on the left of the WME window, then you should have little trouble finding the street involved...?
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